Grendel
Well-Known Member
Democracy means the U.K. Referendum is binding
We should listen to the 38% leavers, but you don't want to listen to the 48% remainers in the UK. They have to move on because it is democracy.
Good here isn't it?
We should listen to the 38% leavers, but you don't want to listen to the 48% remainers in the UK. They have to move on because it is democracy.
Good here isn't it?
I make that 24% as against 4% in ours.What about all the leave voters in Scotland as there were 38% of people wanted to leave the eu which is over a million votes? Do we not listen to them?
Interestingly only 1.6m voted for remain in Scotland so a difference of just 600k. Over double that won for leave in the whole referendum it's worth noting. So maybe the gap isn't as big in Scotland as they would like you to think.
She would have to resign immediately. No questions
Democracy means the U.K. Referendum is binding
Did it actually say that, or that it was advisory?
Who said I don't want to listen to them? Or are you still in denial over a democratic result?
There is a winner and a loser. There are no draws. Remain lost I'm pleased to say but then we make a brexit Britain for everyone not just 52% who voted for it.
Cameron said it was although there is no such legal precedent.
You have told me enough times to move on and join your club. I was never in denial of a small margin. You don't seem to get the possibility that there can be 2 losers here. One the remainers, and two the UK because of the result. No-one wins.
Join what club?
the "everything is going to be great" "global Britain" "they are queuing up to do trade deals with us" "our friends speak English" club
Oh that one. I remember asking everyone to join that club now
A question for you.
If some regions of Scotland vote to stay in the uk but the total vote goes 51% in favour of leaving - should those areas be allowed to remain in the UK?
The Highlands and Islands for example?
We should listen to the 38% leavers, but you don't want to listen to the 48% remainers in the UK. They have to move on because it is democracy.
Good here isn't it?
you asked me7 everyone to join and work together for the future - or words to that effect
What's wrong with that? Shouldn't we all come together after the vote and make brexit work for everyone?
What's wrong with that? Shouldn't we all come together after the vote and make brexit work for everyone?
Without some kind of associate membership of the European Union, which Theresa May has ruled out, it is difficult to see what meaningful EU-wide deal for British citizens would look like. After Brexit, Brits abroad will have different rights if they live in France to if they lived in Poland, just as people from everywhere outside the European Union do.
In terms of protecting the rights of British citizens abroad, the countries which make up the bulk of the EU citizens with rights to protect here in the UK are from the eastern bloc and Portugal. The countries where British citizens live in great numbers are Spain, France and Ireland. The rights of British citizens in Ireland are already guaranteed by obligations that exceed the lifetime of Britain’s EU membership anyway. No government in France is going to be particularly moved to treat British citizens better because of how Britain treats or mistreats Polish citizens working in Britain.
Democracy means the U.K. Referendum is binding
just more labelling, anyone who voted leave must be far right, and want whole of Europe to break up. Its the EU that wants to control Europe and all its members not people who voted to leave, they want the opposite.
Are you implying that no leavers are far right, or that none of them expect or want a breakup of the EU? You may not, but many are and do.
Are you saying that 28, or 27 European nations want to control Europe as a group? If so that is not unusual or undesirable. Who else would you suggest? Trump USA or Putin's Russia? Or do you simply want the EU to break up?
Of course im not saying there are no far right leave voters, just like im sure there are lefties who voted leave, doesn't make them the populous or to label anyone else who believes leaving the EU has far right opinions like wilders in Holland. That's the thing I don't see things as black and white and I don't label people one way or the other people can mix and match their opinions. im not the one who was getting excited like sick boy this morning because a far right movement increased there seats in Holland's government by 33% now 2nd in the country, as a victory for Europe and brexiters would be disappointed.
im not that bothered its the decision on each and every country who they want to govern them, who am I to have an opinion on if France, Holland should stay or leave the EU. People who voted leave wanted Britons choice on their country, if that's the case in another country so be it, if not the same.
How many mich percentage did Wilders get in the end? I don't know yet. About 13%? Which would mean that the established parties got 87% between them.
Extreme right didn't really come anywhere near power.
What was the percentage increase for the greens? I think they are much happier than Wilders.
Wilders thought he would get a lot more and be the number one.
I think that people look at what the right actually does when it gets power. The people have not taken their country back in the USA or Britain - not to mention the situation in Russia and Turkey.
Populist slogans are easily lapped up, but the reality at the end is quite a different thing.
How many mich percentage did Wilders get in the end? I don't know yet. About 13%? Which would mean that the established parties got 87% between them.
Extreme right didn't really come anywhere near power.
What was the percentage increase for the greens? I think they are much happier than Wilders.
Wilders thought he would get a lot more and be the number one.
I think that people look at what the right actually does when it gets power. The people have not taken their country back in the USA or Britain - not to mention the situation in Russia and Turkey.
Populist slogans are easily lapped up, but the reality at the end is quite a different thing.
Brexit was and is still lauded by the far right as a victory.
Let's finally end that nonsense that Brexit is solely the desire of hard right undesirables.
Up the workers - protect out jobs
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This is why I really don't understand the desire to shut down parliamentary debate on the subject.Problem being people have different views on what Brexit is - e.g. hard Brexit, soft Brexit and treatment of EU citizens already here.
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