The will of The people implies a huge majority and a very popular decision. 52% for an unpopular decision for around half the population is not the will of the people.
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The will of The people implies a huge majority and a very popular decision. 52% for an unpopular decision for around half the population is not the will of the people.
Yes. You got it. If a large section of the people voted remain, or as you say, didn’t care, then you cannot go around saying it was the will of the people.
dutchman
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Neither is 48%
I suspect that is because your comprehension of what I said is not very good.
No. Quite agree. So no „Triumph des Willens“ anywhere. Which is what I have been saying.
SkyblueBazza
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See - ypu are blind to reality. Regardless of what happes next. The WILL be transition fro. The current state of play for both sides of the equation...but you just carry on in MartWorld with your MartFacts ignori g everyones else's whicb in reality are just as credible as yours.
You are blinkered and very bori g
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SkyblueBazza
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No it is because I am totally bored with your totally predictable responses...I have reached the point where I really do not give a kipper's cock what you say
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Did you read Tony‘s link about Gove‘s tantrum? How on earth can you be sure? I think we will come to our senses and put something on the table, but we are not acting like a professional organisation at cabinet level. Sorry to bore you with details.
Spoken as a true kipper.
EU says there is no hope of securing UK's Brexit withdrawal deal by October
Coming on a bundle isn’t it.
Sick Boy
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You really are the emblem of the post-truth society.
Jesus.. this just gets more crazy..no one is disputing the result. It always was an advisory referendum. No it wasn’t the result we wanted and we may be leaving, but it certainly isn’t the will of the people.
Astute
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So it is against the will of the people?
No. But some will say what they want. Just like you do.
As usual.. I did not say that. You are saying that I said it was against the will of the people. Making things up again. What I said is factually correct. It cannot be described as will of the people when the majority of voters did not vote for it. There is no will of the people here, the country is split on this issue. Stop pretending it isn’t.
You just make crap up.
Westendlad
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'We wanted and we may be leaving' ?......Tough shit pal, majority of people voted leave (and i don't care if it was just one vote more) and we are leaving so get over it.
Yes, you are probably leaving, but I‘m not. Half the country are not happy about that so don’t expect the whole country to be celebrating with you if the UK does actually leave at some time.
Enjoy life with the fantastic deals that your Tory hedge fund owners have promised you.
Westendlad
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Thank you and rest assured i shall enjoy watching the corrupt EU crumble over the next few years
Thank you and rest assured i shall enjoy watching the corrupt EU crumble over the next few years
Together with the stalwart Nigel Farage, Arron Banks, Wigmore, Mogg, Lord Ashcroft, BoJo, Gove, Davis, Liam Fox etc..What a revolting thought actually. The EU is the biggest trading bloc in the world and although Trump and Putin are trying to smash it, it is still a good bet to survive. Who knows where the U.K. will end up…
Astute
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Me make crap up?
You have just said that the majority of voters didn't vote leave. But they did.
I am quite surprised that you haven't mentioned about the latest meetings that were seen more important than the scheduled Brexit talks.....
The Guardian view on the EU migration deal: fault lines in the fortress | Editorial
Astute
Well-Known Member
Look above and check the link.....
Registered voters as opposed to those who actually voted.
I am surprised that you lot didn’t mention the latest Brexit story. It’s gone from we are going to do a Norway. We could be wealthy like Switzerland. We will be doing Trade deals with Germany straight after the vote. A trade deal with the EU will be easy. We will cut and paste the EU trade deals with other countries. We will have our cake and eat it. Brexit was never about economics. And now from Farage, Mr Brexit himself: “I’m a bit schizophrenic about Brexit. Us leaving is everything I campaigned on and it’s going to happen, but what is happening is we are going into negotiations in a lily-livered, weak way. It will mean we won’t reap the benefits for years to come.”
Years to come? Er... what will happen in the meantime? Let me guess.... the collapse of manufacturing in the U.K.? The end of soft fruit farming as we know it today? A collapse of financial services? Less pubs and restaurants because of lack of staff? Lack of staff in the NHS? Sinking tax revenue as a result of a slowdown of GDP? Still whatever happens Mr Brexit has got his excuses lined up. And „years to come“ is a new phrase in his vocabulary. Independence Day and will of the people now replaced with „in years to come“.
Astute
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So the EU has a priority of human rights. So Mart, you have told us that human rights will disappear when we leave the EU. We know it isn't true but...
So how about these holding centres? Germany, Austria and France don't want them. Someone will have to volunteer to have them. If they don't happen Italy threaten to veto everything. But what about the human rights?
EU's migrant centres could breach human rights, say campaigners
So how about outsourcing the problem?
EU leaders defend migration deal as doubts emerge
Oh yes the EU is as strong and together as usual like you say?
So how about these holding centres? Germany, Austria and France don't want them. Someone will have to volunteer to have them. If they don't happen Italy threaten to veto everything. But what about the human rights?
EU's migrant centres could breach human rights, say campaigners
So how about outsourcing the problem?
EU leaders defend migration deal as doubts emerge
Oh yes the EU is as strong and together as usual like you say?
Astute
Well-Known Member
It sounds like you are hoping everything goes tits up for the UK so you can say you told us so. But as usual it is just all hearsay.
So back to the problems that the EU has that you make out it doesn't have.....
dutchman
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Not as much as I will!Thank you and rest assured i shall enjoy watching the corrupt EU crumble over the next few years
I thought I had. I told you Merkel and the EU were debating the migration problem. It is difficult to resolve. The U.K. blocked Italy‘s requests. The U.K. sits on a large island with, in effect, a moat. Italy and it’s islands are within reach of Africa and Italy has a larger burden because of this. Trying to get countries who are well out of the way to help was always going to be difficult. Let’s see what happens. How‘s the cabinet getting on btw? Plans agreed?
It is you hoping that it goes tits up for the EU. I just posted a couple of articles about the negotiations.
Not as much as I will!
I think you maybe in for a longer wait than Farage has predicted for any benefits, apart from French made blue passports, from Brexit.
Farage: “I’m a bit schizophrenic about Brexit. Us leaving is everything I campaigned on and it’s going to happen, but what is happening is we are going into negotiations in a lily-livered, weak way. It will mean we won’t reap the benefits for years to come.”
Martcov: if at all.
I just repeated that it is not easy and that the U.K. has blocked Italy‘s requests which suggest that the U.K. is less likely to care about human rights. I know the EU is split on this and have never denied it. More made up stuff from you.
SkyblueBazza
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No you idiot. There will now be changes of somesort. In itself that will mean a transition...whether it be a day or 50yrs - & it will affect both the EU & UK. AND it is going to happen so suck it up
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dutchman
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I didn't mention Brexit. I was agreeing with Westendlad about enjoying watching the corrupt EU crumble over the next few years.
SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
Not in a democracy it doesn't. The referendum was designed to follow the majority vote (ie - the majority of the peole that cared enough to vote.
Your argument about majority is exactly why the EU has become such a German dominated beast. Look at the latest agreement (?) on immigration.I have read several articles already decrying it as anything from carfeully worded to change nothing in reality (but protect Merkel's coalition) riggt up to pure bullshit in real terms.
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SkyblueBazza
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SkyblueBazza
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That is because what you spout is utterly biased &/or negative about the decision we have taken to leave the UK
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No idiot.
It won’t happen if they say go to WTO standards because we cannot agree. A transition period in the sense that the UK wants, is remaining on current terms, but without voting rights. There is no guarantee of that. Going on to WTO standards until deals are arranged is what I think you mean, but that is not what is meant as a transition period.
SkyblueBazza
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Be sure about what?
Gove is one man...not the collective of Governemnet - his rant means absolutely diddliey squat!
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