The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (238 Viewers)

[martcov]

We have done this before I think.

RT = Kremlin viewpoint. Disinformation.

He wasn’t a dentist. He was a dental hygienist.

He wasn’t asked to do these tests.

The „ patients“ didn’t give consent for the results to be disclosed.

There is a margin of error of 5 years with this sort of assessment.

The development can be effected by diet and genetics- race.

He disclosed patient information and was fired for that reason.

He lost his appeal.

He appears on right wing sites in the USA and in Sweden, Sweden Democrats.

The results of other tests tested to a higher standard show a much lower percentage of fraud.

Conclusion: Fake news.

The percentage of government tested people is very high as they only test people who they suspect of being older than they say.

Impact of Sweden's asylum age assessment tests revealed

 

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[martcov]

This is where you are making up your bullshit.

Just shows me where I have said we should leave the EU because of the Euro being of the benefit of Germany and the detriment of the poorer countries in it.

Pluses for leaving is not getting more overcrowded. Giving the infrastructure a chance to catch up.

And most of all getting away from being ruled by a crooked organisation like the EU run by Juncker, Selmayr and co.

Neither Juncker not Selmayr rule the EU.

In what way is Selmayr crooked? Has he embezzled anything or been bribed? He took a top job offered to him by Juncker, which is not crooked in it itself. The appointment has been declared legal twice now.

 

[Astute]

The number of refugees coming to Germany has dropped dramatically. The problem now is getting the ones who have been refused asylum back out again. The countries don’t want them back, especially the criminal ones.

It has dropped because they are stranded in Greece, Italy and Spain.

Your tune has changed. You have constantly said that we should remove those who shouldn't be here and that the EU gives us the rules needed.

 

[martcov]

Which is what many of us said.

Looks like Macedonia is next. And it is being pushed by Germany. What is their economy like?

It is all about making the EU as big as they can and forget about the consequences.

If that were the case, Turkey would be in by now. It is about bringing peace and prosperity to Europeans. That is what the EU was set up to do. Serbia is on the waiting list as well. Former Yugoslavia should be in with the rest of Europe. I wouldn’t deny them that right. It is in Europe‘s best interests for these countries to be in the EU. This has been talked about for years. Greece was blocking it because of the dispute about the name and potential territorial claims from Mazedonia. That has been solved recently and now they can move forwards. Anyway the UK is leaving, so why on earth are you bothered about Macedonia?

 

[Astute]

We have done this before I think.

RT = Kremlin viewpoint. Disinformation.

He wasn’t a dentist. He was a dental hygienist.

He wasn’t asked to do these tests.

The „ patients“ didn’t give consent for the results to be disclosed.

There is a margin of error of 5 years with this sort of assessment.

The development can be effected by diet and genetics- race.

He disclosed patient information and was fired for that reason.

He lost his appeal.

He appears on right wing sites in the USA and in Sweden, Sweden Democrats.

The results of other tests tested to a higher standard show a much lower percentage of fraud.

Conclusion: Fake news.

Fake because it shows how bad the so called system is.

 

[martcov]

It has dropped because they are stranded in Greece, Italy and Spain.

Your tune has changed. You have constantly said that we should remove those who shouldn't be here and that the EU gives us the rules needed.

My tune is the same. We should take the refugees ( I said in 2015 ), they should be allowed to stay for 3 years according to the Geneva convention and the situation should be reassessed. Their claims should be processed, and those that don’t qualify, deported. I said before that there were a lot of Nafris ( North Africans ) amongst them who should be kicked out as they were not from war zones.

We have the rules, but they claim not to have the papers and the countries won’t issue temporary travel documents, or do so very slowly, because they don’t want their criminals back. Plus we cannot send them back to places where wars or persecutions are still going on. Which limits how many we can send back. Most are from war zones or dangerous countries.

 

[martcov]

Fake because it shows how bad the so called system is.

Fake news because it has so many mistakes in it. We had this before. The percentage of refugees is lower when you take into account that the government only checks suspicious cases or cases of doubt. Some are actually younger than they claim. If a 4 year old claims to be 4, he won’t be checked and therefore won’t be in the statistics because it is obvious that he is under 17.

The fact that they refer people around 17 to be checked and find so many out shows that the system is good not bad. He tried to make political capital out of it, but ended up getting fired for disclosure of patients details and carrying out the test without authority. He was a hygienist not a dentist. He lost his appeal.

 

[Astute]

Neither Juncker not Selmayr rule the EU.

In what way is Selmayr crooked? Has he embezzled anything or been bribed? He took a top job offered to him by Juncker, which is not crooked in it itself. The appointment has been declared legal twice now.

Selmayr has been the puppet master for years. And the rules and regulations got broke by Juncker to get him the top job in the EU.

If you want to lie about this again we could revisit the subject.

 

[Astute]

If that were the case, Turkey would be in by now. It is about bringing peace and prosperity to Europeans. That is what the EU was set up to do. Serbia is on the waiting list as well. Former Yugoslavia should be in with the rest of Europe. I wouldn’t deny them that right. It is in Europe‘s best interests for these countries to be in the EU. This has been talked about for years. Greece was blocking it because of the dispute about the name and potential territorial claims from Mazedonia. That has been solved recently and now they can move forwards. Anyway the UK is leaving, so why on earth are you bothered about Macedonia?

Peace and prosperity? :wideyed:

Prosperity to Germany with a currency that has to be undervalued for them as it also has to build in a valuation for the poor countries.

Peace? All these murders and atrocities mean peace? Or are you saying that Europe would be at war if it wasn't for Juncker and co....

 

[Astute]

My tune is the same. We should take the refugees ( I said in 2015 ), they should be allowed to stay for 3 years according to the Geneva convention and the situation should be reassessed. Their claims should be processed, and those that don’t qualify, deported. I said before that there were a lot of Nafris ( North Africans ) amongst them who should be kicked out as they were not from war zones.

We have the rules, but they claim not to have the papers and the countries won’t issue temporary travel documents, or do so very slowly, because they don’t want their criminals back. Plus we cannot send them back to places where wars or persecutions are still going on. Which limits how many we can send back. Most are from war zones or dangerous countries.

Ah so it was the fault of the UK government when coming across the same problem but not the fault of the German government?

 

[skybluetony176]

And economic migrants falsely masquerading as 'refugees'.

Child migrant tests 'reveal many adults'

‘80% were grown-ups’: Swedish dentist fired for exposing migrant ‘kids’ as adults talks to RT

Which is why I said Cameron had the right idea by going to the camps and taking the most needy and vulnerably. Said from the of you could argue that Merkel triggered the refugee crisis. The way she went about it it was always going to be the most capable rather than the most vulnerable that will make it, certainly under their own steam anyhow.

 

[dutchman]

We have done this before I think.

RT = Kremlin viewpoint. Disinformation.

Is the BBC link I posted also = Kremlin viewpoint. Disinformation?

 

[Astute]

If that were the case, Turkey would be in by now. It is about bringing peace and prosperity to Europeans. That is what the EU was set up to do. Serbia is on the waiting list as well. Former Yugoslavia should be in with the rest of Europe. I wouldn’t deny them that right. It is in Europe‘s best interests for these countries to be in the EU. This has been talked about for years. Greece was blocking it because of the dispute about the name and potential territorial claims from Mazedonia. That has been solved recently and now they can move forwards. Anyway the UK is leaving, so why on earth are you bothered about Macedonia?

Because it shows you will say anything that contradict what you have already said.

So poor countries shouldn't be let in until they are ready but poor countries should be let in?

 

[skybluetony176]

This is where you are making up your bullshit.

Just shows me where I have said we should leave the EU because of the Euro being of the benefit of Germany and the detriment of the poorer countries in it.

Pluses for leaving is not getting more overcrowded. Giving the infrastructure a chance to catch up.

And most of all getting away from being ruled by a crooked organisation like the EU run by Juncker, Selmayr and co.

You accuse me of bullshit and then promptly say I’ve said something I haven’t. Oh the irony.

I never said you said we should leave the EU because of the Euro being of the benefit of Germany and the detriment of the poorer countries in it. I said you use it as an axe to hit Germany with. Not nearly the same thing.

 

[skybluetony176]

Make your mind up. Brexit was supposed to kill our economy.

Because of the amount of people that have moved to the UK in the last 18 years and lack of investment it would cost countless billions just to catch up with housing. You need to try and get your head around the fact of needing housing and infrastructure the equivalent of about the size of 6 cities.

So where are all these properties going to be built?

We have to shrink the economy then. Good luck getting a political party to acknowledge that and then have a manifesto of achieving that and then getting voted in on that manifesto.

 

[skybluetony176]

Which is what many of us said.

Looks like Macedonia is next. And it is being pushed by Germany. What is their economy like?

It is all about making the EU as big as they can and forget about the consequences.

2025 at the earliest is when Macedonia can join the EU and gain the Euro. Aren’t Greece using or threatening to use their Veto though over Macedonia using Macedonia as their name? So I guess it depends on what you mean by next. Might not happen at all yet.

 

[Astute]

You accuse me of bullshit and then promptly say I’ve said something I haven’t. Oh the irony.

I never said you said we should leave the EU because of the Euro being of the benefit of Germany and the detriment of the poorer countries in it. I said you use it as an axe to hit Germany with. Not nearly the same thing.

Not at all. I can read and have a good memory.

Axe to hit Germany with? Wrong again. It is the truth about the Euro and it having to be too strong for the poorer countries so it can be an average for Germany with them included.

So where have I given it as a reason to leave the EU? Either you are mistaken or making crap up again.

Germany Profits From Greek Debt Crisis

Germany made billions on Greece’s debt crisis, Berlin confirms

Is Forbes good enough for you?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/miltonezrati/2018/01/23/the-german-swindle-built-into-the-euro/

http://fortune.com

 

[Astute]

We have to shrink the economy then. Good luck getting a political party to acknowledge that and then have a manifesto of achieving that and then getting voted in on that manifesto.

So why is that?

How about explaining one of your comments for once.

 

[skybluetony176]

Not at all. I can read and have a good memory.

Axe to hit Germany with? Wrong again. It is the truth about the Euro and it having to be too strong for the poorer countries so it can be an average for Germany with them included.

So where have I given it as a reason to leave the EU? Either you are mistaken or making crap up again.

Germany Profits From Greek Debt Crisis

Germany made billions on Greece’s debt crisis, Berlin confirms

Is Forbes good enough for you?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/miltonezrati/2018/01/23/the-german-swindle-built-into-the-euro/

http://fortune.com

Again. Where have I said you said it was a reason to leave the EU?

 

[skybluetony176]

So why is that?

How about explaining one of your comments for once.

I explained it to you two at 11:16 and then again about an hour later after you didn’t seem to take it in. I’m not doing it a third time. If you don’t read what people write in reply to you that’s your issue.

 

[Astute]

2025 at the earliest is when Macedonia can join the EU and gain the Euro. Aren’t Greece using or threatening to use their Veto though over Macedonia using Macedonia as their name? So I guess it depends on what you mean by next. Might not happen at all yet.

Might not of course. But Merkel has joined in to help it go through.

We.might not leave the EU yet. It doesn't mean it won't happen though.

And no Macedonia might not be next. Albania could be before them

European Commission plans to open talks with Albania and Macedonia about them joining EU

 

[Astute]

I explained it to you two at 11:16 and then again about an hour later after you didn’t seem to take it in. I’m not doing it a third time. If you don’t read what people write in reply to you that’s your issue.

It was more a comment than explaining anything.

 

[skybluetony176]

Might not of course. But Merkel has joined in to help it go through.

We.might not leave the EU yet. It doesn't mean it won't happen though.

And no Macedonia might not be next. Albania could be before them

European Commission plans to open talks with Albania and Macedonia about them joining EU

Albania still has capital punishment. They’re even further away than Macedonia (Greece aside) and even then the soonest they can join is again 2025. Of all the countries that could possibly join in that batch Iceland are the only one looking at being able to meet the criteria. That’s if they (the people of Iceland) vote for it, which seems unlikely at this moment in time.

 

[skybluetony176]

It was more a comment than explaining anything.

Yes of course it was :wideyed:

 

[Astute]

Yes of course it was :wideyed:

Show what you explained then.

 

[Astute]

Albania still has capital punishment. They’re even further away than Macedonia (Greece aside) and even then the soonest they can join is again 2025. Of all the countries that could possibly join in that batch Iceland are the only one looking at being able to meet the criteria. That’s if they (the people of Iceland) vote for it, which seems unlikely at this moment in time.

So why is the EU bothering to have talks with them?

 

[skybluetony176]

So why is the EU bothering to have talks with them?

Because they’ve applied. Tends to be how these things work.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Do you honestly, genuinely believe the rise in extremism has nothing to do with the political union of the EU and removal of individual state ability to have full control of their political and fiscal ideology?

I'd question his definition of success too tbh

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[SkyblueBazza]

If you look at what’s happening in Germany and Sweden it has more to do with immigration from Muslim countries than anything else. Immigration both countries invited without anything to do with the EU.

You cannot exclude the EU from criticism on immigration...they have failed to enforce their own rules (you know...the ones all members agrred to?) Which has helped those entering any EU country to move pretty comfortably around without much care for the impact it has on local communities.
A common theme for the EU approach on many issues...too much too soon, perhaps?

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[SkyblueBazza]

So the AFD believes in freedom of movement as defined by the EU?

He is right on the whole - as this report indicates...
Sunday of protest in 40 cities to show growth of pro-EU movement

The question has to be: why does a disproportionate number of Germans support the EU, as compared to other EU countries? 35 out of 40 are German cities. They're alright Jack!

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[martcov]

Peace and prosperity? :wideyed:

Prosperity to Germany with a currency that has to be undervalued for them as it also has to build in a valuation for the poor countries.

Peace? All these murders and atrocities mean peace? Or are you saying that Europe would be at war if it wasn't for Juncker and co....

Is Germany an island of Peace and prosperity? All EU countries are better off than they were, say, 20 years ago. Despite there being a crash in 2008. which is why no one is leaving ( apart from the UK ).

Are you blaming the EU for The attacks on Parliament? Or in Paris? We don’t know what happened in Chemnitz, apart from a German is dead and Afghans probably killed him. Now compare that with WWII initiated by the extreme right. Make Germany great again, blame the Jews and leftists for all Germany‘s woes... millions dead. You claim a murder and a couple of terrorist attacks mean that the EU hasn’t helped achieve a lasting peace in Europe? Comparable to centuries of European wars, which was better than being in common bloc with rules, regulations and a parliament with democractic elections? Or do you think „National Socialism“ with sovereign states working things out would be better as Dutchman thinks?

The EU has nothing to with the atrocities committed by ISIS. Germany doesn’t have more terrorism than the UK or France. Despite over a million refugees. Why do you think that is?

 

[martcov]

Ah so it was the fault of the UK government when coming across the same problem but not the fault of the German government?

?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

So Germany and Sweden asked Muslim countries to send them their people?

How about the truth?

Open borders made the problem. Then of course they wanted to go to the richer countries. These include Germany and Sweden. So they took many. But now they won't take any more as they never thought of the consequences.

In fairness...they sort of invited them by saying they would be welcome.

Even the AFD are only saying words to the effect that now Germany has accepted them...the rest of the EU has to take a share of them. Given the lax enforcement of secondary movement - I don't know why they feel the need to bother though tbh

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[SkyblueBazza]

Sweden has an open door policy for refugees. Nothing to do with the EU. Merkels public open invite to the refugees is well documented. You could actually argue she caused the refugee crisis in Europe if you really wanted to talk about the truth. Again nothing to do with the EU. We’ve taken hardly any in comparison to Sweden and Germany. Again nothing to do with the EU. All down to domestic policies.

And Germany guides & influences the EU in line with it's own domestic policies. Keep feeding the 'Fatherland'???

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[martcov]

He is right on the whole - as this report indicates...
Sunday of protest in 40 cities to show growth of pro-EU movement

The question has to be: why does a disproportionate number of Germans support the EU, as compared to other EU countries? 35 out of 40 are German cities. They're alright Jack!

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No. They are reasonable people. Britain is on it’s own with Brexit. And remain would win according to polls, if there were a second referendum in the event of a no deal. Brexit is dead.

People don’t really give a toss about Selmayr, a Swedish dental hygienist or the Euro being good for Germany, in comparison to the possibility of chaos, shortages, job losses and a potential recession in Britain. These continuous discussions about banal things that happen in any country anywhere are just a distraction from the disaster which Brexit is becoming. There are more discussions on Selmayr than on the benefits of Brexit. Now, why could that be?

PS I went briefly to on of those pro EU demonstrations mentioned in the link.