Grendel
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Mail on Sunday also which has a huge circulation
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Mail on Sunday also which has a huge circulation
Sky Blue Pete
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There a difference between reporting news and being biased. Many of those publications are not pro remain but may publish articles critical of leaving
Sky Blue Pete
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Mail on Sunday? Pro remain publication?
Grendel
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Astute
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That isn't what is said on this thread.
I post good things about the EU, good about staying in the EU or bad things against the Tories and it gets ignored by the same posters all the time. But when I post bad things about the EU, why some might be better off leaving the EU or say anything against the Labour party I am biased and it starts off the normal stupid arguments.
Sick Boy
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It’s weird how you never seem to attack leave posters and on the most part agree with and like their posters - how neutral of you.
As usual your last few sentences are made up nonsense to portray yourself as some kind of victim
skybluetony176
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Try reading the link NW has posted just above you. As usual you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about and are talking bollocks based on the leave campaigns project fear of everyone is trying to rob Brexit and everyone is biased against brexit.
Astute
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Leave posters don't gang up on me. But if anyone puts up anything that the remainers don't like they show up like a pack of wolves and try and distract from the truth. That is unless they know they can't twist the truth.
Just like the EU funding for the BBC. Near total silence as the BBC isn't allowed money that could be seen as giving political preference.
Or are you saying that Tony, Mart yourself and others don't immediately jump in at any post you don't like and try to start an argument?
And yes I won't back down from the truth. If the truth had been said from the start of the referendum being called we wouldn't be in this position now. But what you get is people accusing the other side of doing what they do themselves.
skybluetony176
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Of course they don’t. You never question what they say and you only ever say what they want to hear. Which is odd because apparently you’re unbiased in either direction.
dutchman
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If they publish more more articles which are critical of leaving than articles which are critical of remaining they are by definition "pro-EU".
skybluetony176
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So you want to gag the BBC and other news outlets so they can only report an equal number of good and bad news stories?
dutchman
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It's already part of the BBC charter that they must report both sides of any controversial issue "impartially".
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dutchman
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When I have suggested I want to "gag" any news source I disagree with? I actually make a point of posting articles critical of the EU from otherwise pro-EU sources in this thread.
Given the deluge of anti-Brexit scare-stories in the mainstream media I'm staggered there are are any Leave supporters left!
skybluetony176
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They do report all sides. The issue seems to be that there’s more bad news stories than there is good news stories. How’s that the BBC or any news outlets fault. Clearly the only way you can address that balance is with censorship of one side of the story.
You still haven’t explained what pro EU propaganda I come up with.
In other words probably correct.
Telegraph? Spectator? BBC is attacked from both sides. Amazing you must be really extreme leave if you think that theTelegraph is pro EU. I suppose Farage is too mild for you.
I am staggered at some of the infantile comments from leavers. Judging by the general level of ignorance and religious fervour on the leave side, it is no surprise that there are so many leavers still there.
Sky News has to be the worst of them !
dutchman
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You're doing a great job of pushing waverers into the Leave camp Martcov, please keep it up!
skybluetony176
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You’re doing it now. Just because you haven’t worked out that is what you’re saying doesn’t mean you haven’t done it.
What’s the source of these “scare” stories? Should the BBC not be publishing statements from leaders of industry to address this perceived imbalance? Maybe they shouldn’t report what the BOE is saying in their statements to address this perceived imbalance? Maybe when they broadcast from Parliament they should only broadcast Rees Mogg or some Tory back bencher standing up, waving a peace of paper going Dunkirk spirit waffle waffle waffle to address this perceived imbalance?
If leaders of industry are lining themselves up to be critical of brexit the BBC and any news outlets should be covering it. If NHS bosses are warning of an impending catastrophe to the NHS because of brexit it has to be covered. If the BOE are downgrading their growth forecast regardless of the reason they have to cover it, when “debates” are taking place in Parliament it has to be covered in full and not just the bits telling you what you want to hear.
Seems to me you want to gag the press so you’re only hear what you want to hear. Thankfully that isn’t the society we live in because we don’t live in North Korea where the news tells them everything is rosie and North Korea has won the world regardless of the reality.
Except, many of the stories they push are just that 'stories'. They're not news, they are forecasts and threats from pro Remain campaigners, who have already condemned the country to hell before they really know the true impact of Brexit. I want to know what's actually happening not what MIGHT happen in their bias opinion. I still believe its all a sham by May and the EU, they are playing for time whilst all the scaremongering increases then we will either get a Brexit that means nothing or another vote. Either way the metropolitan elite will get their way and make it look like democracy !
skybluetony176
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Stories? If they’re stories they’re not the ones pushing them. It’s the leaders of industry, NHS bosses, BOE, MP’s etc. Covering those “stories” is what makes it news. Maybe they shouldn’t cover the story from a victim of bombing in Yemen because it’s just a persons story and therefore not news. You seem to be trying to blur the lines between a story and news, reporting that JLR’s boss has said x,y and z is news.
So industry disrupting their cash flow to stockpile components is a “scare” story? They haven’t took these decisions on a whim because they’re anti brexit. Cash flow is king in industry, this is a very real and tangible effect of brexit. The “scare” story was 12, 18 months ago when they first started saying it, the reality is that they’re now actually doing it. That by it’s very definition dismissing it that it ever was a scare story. Same with extended shut downs. Not a scare story a reality. The NHS stockpiling drugs. Not a scare story as it’s happening, it’s a reality. Congestion at the ports, again not a scare story as the government has had to dish contracts out to foreign shipping lines (I’ll dismiss the token British company as not only was it a pie in the sky company I see the local council has reported this week that they don’t have a budget to ready the port for roll on roll of services due to budget cuts from central government so it isn’t going to happen anyway). Not a scare story, something that is tangible and happening right in front of you.
The ECG coming out with unicorn policies that are completely intangible to deliver a utopian brexit that isn’t achievable. ECG member David Davis selling some of these fantasies having already dismissed them as fantasy while serving as brexit ministers. Leavers will pap that shit up though. Blue passports again. Leavers will lap that shit up again even though we could have always brought them back and to bring them back we’ve taken work of a U.K. based company and handed it to a EU based company. Bendy bananas will come back. Leavers will lap that shit up even though I’m yet to put a banana on an uneven worktop and it’s rolled of. That’s because they’ve always been bendy.
Leavers mentality on reported news would have them sitting at home in North Korea, emaciated through starvation but because an over enthusiastic, smiling, bouncy, clearly well fed woman on the news tells them that there are no food shortages and we’ve won the world they’d turn around to themselves and say actually I’m not starving because I did have that bowl of rice last week. Yippee the news is correct.
Some leavers are displaying a moronic attitude to free press just because reality doesn’t match their perception of the promised brexit utopia.
Nick
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It's just project fear though.
skybluetony176
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I know you’re joking but I’m starting to think there’s a stealth project fear that people who keep claiming project fear are operating in stealth mode. When they keep referring to project fear they’re actually operating their own project fear by promoting that there’s a project fear. It’s a complete double bluff and leavers are lapping it up in huge numbers. The BBC reports more bad news stories than good news stories. It couldn’t possibly be that the reality is that despite the promised utopia it doesn’t exist so naturally there’s more bad news stories than good but some Tory back bencher shouts project fear and the leavers nod in unison because it’s easier to believe in a ghost than a living entity. If scooby doo catches project fear and pulls its mask of he’s going to reveal a leave backer, maybe a member of the ERG.
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You're doing a great job of pushing waverers into the Leave camp Martcov, please keep it up!
Yes. The more who prefer bullshit going to leave the better. I am on the side of the ones who have copped on.
Sick Boy
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All posters do it and leave voters have ganged up on remain voters. Next time I will keep an eye out when Mart starts getting the usual German abuse as I’m sure you’ll want to stick up for him.
Redwood Mogg BoJo Fox Banks Farage are the metropolitan elite and will be ok or profit enormously from Brexit. I am working class Cov and not the metropolitan elite. I will be probably worse off. But you take the side of the leave elite. Your choice but you won’t find me standing with you.
skybluetony176
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I think you mean join in. In an unbiased neutral way of course but still join in.
Nick
Administrator
I'm not even joking, it just cracks me up that I say the same line to different people randomly and wooooshhhh.
What good things have you posted about the EU?
Sky Blue Pete
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From some not all but I understand the passion. At my church we have put an installation up and we are being encouraged to stand in the gap and seek to bring reconciliation to the splintering this has caused our society. I have really struggled to accept that people are ok to have different opinions to me and hold them strongly and to discuss their merit rather than to seek to win an argument or personalise those disagreements. You guys have helped me with that so thank you. But and it’s a big but. If you know more than me and recognise the damage that will be done or is being done then I totally accept why it’s more than just a discussion and becomes a passionate debate that has to be won at all costs. Including relationships.
I for one have never said all will be rosy in the garden, there will be a period where there is some disruption and confusion but the issues are not insurmountable. How many countries border Switzerland and they still prosper. The galling thing for me is the only organisation who will strive to make things as difficult as possible will be the EU.......and that shows how dangerous and powerful they have become .
No. The organisation with the red lines including FOM and no SM is the UK government. Switzerland is in the SM and Schengen. That’s why they prosper...