The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (264 Viewers)

[tisza]

Parliament seems to ignore most petitions to be fair. Location of the voter is logged and there is a link to an interactive map if you want to see where the votes are being cast from. Not expecting it to but it would be interesting to see what reaction the government would have if the number of signatures passed the number who voted leave.

Passed that number would have no choice but to vote on it at least. Even then they'd be pressed to put it to the country. No politician/party is brave enough to ignore that level of support for fear of later electoral backlash.
Gets to around 5m and parties will be paying it lip service whilst still ignoring it.

 

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[SkyblueBazza]

Parliament seems to ignore most petitions to be fair. Location of the voter is logged and there is a link to an interactive map if you want to see where the votes are being cast from. Not expecting it to but it would be interesting to see what reaction the government would have if the number of signatures passed the number who voted leave.

Also to be fair (I haven't signed either petition) I knew about the 'Rovoke' petition, but not the 'No deal' one...wonder if the publicity for each has been the same?

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[skybluetony176]

Also to be fair (I haven't signed either petition) I knew about the 'Rovoke' petition, but not the 'No deal' one...wonder if the publicity for each has been the same?

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The leave in March anyway petition has been made redundant now following last nights events. The press has picked up and ran with the revoke petition the last couple of days but I think it’s been more from the angle of how quickly numbers has grown on it.

 

[tisza]

Also to be fair (I haven't signed either petition) I knew about the 'Rovoke' petition, but not the 'No deal' one...wonder if the publicity for each has been the same?

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Argument is Leavers expect Govt to fulfil their stated obligation so not signing.
If (or when) that changes then Leave petitions will pop up everywhere.
We'll get the usual numbers games and if petition doesn't pass the original Remain vote some people will be claiming it shows remain vote has weakened.

 

[martcov]

Another news clip from Captain Farage ( a bit out of date as he has long gone from his trek to the south ): The Journey South with Captain Farage. Nigel’s diary of the great March to Leave – exclusive

 

[tisza]

Another news clip from Captain Farage ( a bit out of date as he has long gone from his trek to the south ): The Journey South with Captain Farage. Nigel’s diary of the great March to Leave – exclusive

to busy organizing his candidate lists for May 23rd

 

[Astute]

Passed that number would have no choice but to vote on it at least. Even then they'd be pressed to put it to the country. No politician/party is brave enough to ignore that level of support for fear of later electoral backlash.
Gets to around 5m and parties will be paying it lip service whilst still ignoring it.

The last time a petition got this many votes they found out that there was a bot voting.

 

[tisza]

Top-line: just like in Parliament, the public have a much better idea of what they don't want than what they do want.

Every outcome is more unpopular than popular. John Burn-Murdoch on Twitter
Still sums it up

 

[martcov]

The last time a petition got this many votes they found out that there was a bot voting.

Is it this time?

 

[Astute]

Top-line: just like in Parliament, the public have a much better idea of what they don't want than what they do want.

Every outcome is more unpopular than popular. John Burn-Murdoch on Twitter
Still sums it up

At least 50% of the population think leaving without a deal is a bad idea

Certainly shows that people from both sides are either clueless or don't know what they want.

 

[martcov]

At least 50% of the population think leaving without a deal is a bad idea

Certainly shows that people from both sides are either clueless or don't know what they want.

Who would that be? How do you get to that conclusion? People do know what they want, but there is no majority wanting the same thing. I am waiting for my flight and hope to join a few hundred thousand like minded people for a demonstration tomorrow. I know exactly what I want. Revoke article 50. people’s vote. Remain. Investigate how this happened.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Who would that be? How do you get to that conclusion? People do know what they want, but there is no majority wanting the same thing. I am waiting for my flight and hope to join a few hundred thousand like minded people for a demonstration tomorrow. I know exactly what I want. Revoke article 50. people’s vote. Remain. Investigate how this happened.

Just as embarrassing as the march to leave one
It will achieve nothing

 

[martcov]

Just as embarrassing as the march to leave one
It will achieve nothing

Upwards of 700000 in the capital is not as embarrassing as circa 200 on a windswept car park near Sunderland. Nothing against Sunderland ( apart from some diehard loser fans ). It will prove that people are more bothered about crashing the country based on lies and false promises as opposed to wanting to save a hard Brexit by being led on a march by the biggest charlatan in the country.

Whatever happens May is not on „our side“ as she claims. She is on the side of a minority.

 

[dutchman]

Things in this country aren't decided by marches, they're decided by votes in the ballot box.

 

[martcov]

Things in this country aren't decided by marches, they're decided by votes in the ballot box.

Yes. And that’s why we need a people’s vote on what Brexit has achieved and whether remaining would be the better decision before we take the plunge. Glad to see we agree.

 

[dutchman]

Yes. And that’s why we need a people’s vote on what Brexit has achieved and whether remaining would be the better decision before we take the plunge. Glad to see we agree.

How can people decide "what Brexit has achieved" when it hasn't even happened yet?

 

[martcov]

How can people decide "what Brexit has achieved" when it hasn't even happened yet?

Acheived so far: Divided country. Mass exodus of funds. Financial firms setting up offices abroad. Uncertainty. Stockpiling. Lack of investment. Staff leaving for the EU. Loss of agencies. Billions blown on no deal preparations. Extra bureaucracy and border staff.

Plenty to assess and, as you say, Brexit hasn’t started yet.

Do we want more of this? Or more pain as May calls it? Or, shall we just revoke article 50 and start to rebuild what we have lost?

 

[dutchman]

People had forty-three years to judge what membership of the EU achieved, for the vast majority it was nothing.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How can people decide "what Brexit has achieved" when it hasn't even happened yet?

With a bit of luck it never will and we can put this awkward episode out of memory

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Have it your way. So you don't see at all how what you wrote could be misjudged?

Constantly bad at comprehension? Don't worry. Have had enough of those constantly taking the piss. Won't join in with your questions anymore. Even said what I thought you was up to. Look back. It is all there.

In response to Blair bailing out of office, it’s pretty unambiguous. It’s like when it takes 3 goes at getting another Labour contender out of you as you insist nobody wants to entertain the idea.

Time to pack it in old timer

 

[Astute]

Top-line: just like in Parliament, the public have a much better idea of what they don't want than what they do want.

Every outcome is more unpopular than popular. John Burn-Murdoch on Twitter
Still sums it up

Who would that be? How do you get to that conclusion? People do know what they want, but there is no majority wanting the same thing. I am waiting for my flight and hope to join a few hundred thousand like minded people for a demonstration tomorrow. I know exactly what I want. Revoke article 50. people’s vote. Remain. Investigate how this happened.

There you go.

 

[dutchman]

With a bit of luck it never will and we can put this awkward episode out of memory

Oh it won't be forgotten. People will remember that the government point blank refused to implement a policy they voted for.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Oh it won't be forgotten. People will remember that the government point blank refused to implement a policy they voted for.

Did they vote for this pile of shit being passed off as Brexit?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I see the revoke article 50 petition is gathering steam

Petition: Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

In the interest of balance here’s the leave without a deal petition

Petition: Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019.

Let me know when the petition gets passed 17.4 million.

Somehow I doubt it will, even though some people are bragging that they've signed it 10 times.

 

[dutchman]

Did they vote for this pile of shit being passed off as Brexit?

If you mean Theresa May's so-called deal which would be a Brexit in name only? No.

If you mean leaving as soon as possible even if it means no deal then ultimately yes.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If you mean Theresa May's so-called deal which would be a Brexit in name only? No.

If you mean leaving as soon as possible even if it means no deal then ultimately yes.

Yes I suppose dedicated idiots want to go all in. Think they’ll be disappointed when immigration levels still haven’t changed

 

[martcov]

Let me know when the petition gets passed 17.4 million.

Somehow I doubt it will, even though some people are bragging that they've signed it 10 times.

If it gets over 100000 it has to be debated. It isn’t a referendum it is a call to do something. Stop the madness and revoke article 50. May claims to be on „our side“. The reaction shows she is ignored half the population. They won’t take it lying down. How are Farage‘s poor lads on his symbolic march to London getting on?

 

[martcov]

Oh it won't be forgotten. People will remember that the government point blank refused to implement a policy they voted for.

That is not true. There is no proposal which 17,4 million voted for. All we got was leave without a plan, which is impossible to fulfill.

 

[martcov]

There you go.

Explain.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If it gets over 100000 it has to be debated. It isn’t a referendum it is a call to do something. Stop the madness and revoke article 50. May claims to be on „our side“. The reaction shows she is ignored half the population. They won’t take it lying down. How are Farage‘s poor lads on his symbolic march to London getting on?

Probably in the Winchester waiting for it all to blow over

 

[martcov]

People had forty-three years to judge what membership of the EU achieved, for the vast majority it was nothing.

No it wasn’t. We had the leading economy in the EU. The SM and CU made that possible. Drop them and we’ll tank.

The people who got left behind were left behind by successive governments and bore the brunt of the crash in 2008. the bankers carried on thanks to a bail out. Austerity is the reason, not a benign union. But follow the lead from the right wing tabloids and blame the EU.

 

[tisza]

Oh it won't be forgotten. People will remember that the government point blank refused to implement a policy they voted for.

whichever side eventually gets its way this won't be forgotten either by the public or within Parliament for a long time.
And unfortunately (if Brexit is overturned) we will see scenes and witness acts of stupidity that will sadly make it an even more infamous period in British history. Seldom have the extremes of both sides of an argument been so far apart and in such large numbers.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

whichever side eventually gets its way this won't be forgotten either by the public or within Parliament for a long time.
And unfortunately (if Brexit is overturned) we will see scenes and witness acts of stupidity that will sadly make it an even more infamous period in British history. Seldom have the extremes of both sides of an argument been so far apart and in such large numbers.

Maybe as big an act of stupidity as voting for it because of the 3 musketeers

 

[martcov]

whichever side eventually gets its way this won't be forgotten either by the public or within Parliament for a long time.
And unfortunately (if Brexit is overturned) we will see scenes and witness acts of stupidity that will sadly make it an even more infamous period in British history. Seldom have the extremes of both sides of an argument been so far apart and in such large numbers.

All in the interests of holding the Tory party together and those of a slimy admirer of the 70s National Front.

 

[tisza]

All in the interests of holding the Tory party together and those of a slimy admirer of the 70s National Front.

don't oversimplify it -6 out of 10 Labour constituencies backed a Brexit - just behind 7 out of 10 Conservative.