Grendel
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She actually has a lot in common with Mr Corbyn doesn’t she
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She actually has a lot in common with Mr Corbyn doesn’t she
Sick Boy
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Lol you’re the one voting for someone very much aligned and part of the alt-right.
Outrage after Farage appears on 'disgusting' conspiracy theorist show
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Huge buckets of slime will fall on Farage from the Eu biased media as he really is threatening the snout in the trough world order
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
You tell me. You’re the one flying her colours. I know she’s courted controversy with her views on whether the government should force the taking down of videos of the beheadings of British citizens by terrorists. I know she’s a climate change denier. Are those things she has in common with Corbyn?
skybluetony176
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World order and new world order is 100% the language of conspiracy theorists. The theory as I’m sure you know has it’s basis in antisemitism and amongst its theories include climate change being a Jewish hoax to facilitate taking over the world. You seem to be falling into this category of conspiracy theorist with remarkable ease. What can we expect next from you? No one died at Sandy Hook? The American government staged 911 and the world trade centre is still standing? Maybe the Earth is flat?
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Here’s what you’re aligning yourself with
This guy thinks captain America is a documentary. Hail Hydra.
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Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Hahaha.
I never took you as an apologist for the far right. The fact you’re still defending him after the InfoWars video is pretty shocking.
Each to their own, I suppose.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
They’re clever. Each of those has enough of a nugget of truth to hide behind. Labour are allied with the Muslim vote generally, Blair did state an aim to flood the vote with minorities. People have been arrested for discussing the trans debate. Facebook have shut down anti-EU pages.
What’s not mentioned is that not all Muslims are Islamists, Blair didn’t succeed and isn’t in power any more, no trans Twitter beef has gone further than a stern talking to, and those pages were taken down for racism not anti-EU sentiment.
But he can reel off five or six half truths that need nuance and research to debunk before you’ve managed to think. Then if you claim it’s all bollocks the half truths come out to prove you’re “hiding things”.
You’ve got to admire it on some Machiavellian level.
dutchman
Well-Known Member
But everyone anti-EU is a racist according to the posters on here.
SIR ERNIE
Well-Known Member
Indeed, and 'aligned' with Alex Jones apparently. Oh and shockingly 'alt-right'.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Well Jones is part of the alt right movement and based upon his interview Farage doesn’t bother to challenge Jones’ views and seems to agree with him. It’s strange that there’s silence about it and just brushing it under the carpet.
Not all Brexit voters are fans of Farage, by the way. Just because Farage is labeled as being part of that world doesn’t mean that all Brexit voters are.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
I’ve already stated that if lord such was alive and kicking I’d back the Looney Party and help fund it
There is zero requirements for a manifesto as oddly we shouldn’t be in Europe
Whatever anyone thinks about Farage he is easily the most skilled at handling the media. No one cares about his policies other than one.
Also to be fair to Farage he’s at least been consistent in his view on Europe and hasn’t flim flammed like Corbyn whose too frightened to really air his true views. He’s not aligned himself to a political enemy like the obscenity that is Vince Cable just to grubbily grab a peerage and a ministerial salary.
The real truth is there is no advocate for remain that is not smeared with scandal - Clegg the odious fat cat liar, the blood stained Blair creature, Cable the Tory whore, the utterly revolting Campbell, Mandleson the dodgy dealer and the slippery and disposable Cameron and Osbourne.
There’s no one is there? How about Austerity Anna, Chukka the champagne socialist and Heidi Whatshername?
Digging up some videos on Farage makes zero difference as he will bat this off all day long. Remain needs a credible voice to sell benefits of membership - not scare stories and pointless smears
There no one is there?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Come on, they’re hardly old videos and other politicians’ pasts get regularly brought up on here.
I agree about Corbyn, he’s opportunist and only flirts with remain to stay in his job.
I’m not sure there’s anyone from leave who is 100% credible and has zero smears, they’re politicians, 99% are as bad as each other. Farage is connected to a wider movement that goes beyond though.
Voting for a party based on a single issue that doesn’t have a manifesto is utterly insane. It’s a very dangerous precedent, especially his insane views on guns.
Even when the UK leaves the EU he isn’t going to go away as he has a wider political agenda, IMO. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive at best.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
None of this matters
The single issue is the country voted to leave the European Union and therefore it’s very very sane for people to put all their energy into the central figure associated with that. No one who wants to leave wants a manifesto other than leave
I hope his popularity grows - it will believe me - even now on latest polls he’d have 49 seats in Parliament
Rather than call people morons and thick people should perhaps start to look at why this is happening and address it. Across Europe there is emergence of fringe parties - Italy, France and Germany have far more far right extremists than the uk - it’s getting mainstream and it won’t go away unless the liberal chattering classes acknowledge their failings
SIR ERNIE
Well-Known Member
Spot on.
Plenty on here dismissed him and his party as irrelevant just a few weeks ago, confident that it would split the leave vote. That was never going to be the case and once they’ve wiped the floor with the mainstream parties in the EU elections, the momentum will really gather pace. The EU elections will just be the start.
dutchman
Well-Known Member
The UK isn't leaving the EU. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive at best.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I expect that Cons and Lab will scramble a deal together to preserve themselves against the BP
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I’ve stated numerous times I understand the vote and blame successive Londoncentric governments and and corporations taking priority over citizens of countries.
SkyBlueDom26
Well-Known Member
Have we left yet?
dutchman
Well-Known Member
Nope, and never will.
Tommo1993
Well-Known Member
Hopefully one day!
dutchman
Well-Known Member
It will have crashed and burned by then and taken Britain with it.
SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
I'm sure he has a disturbing side to him. Just like Trump, Putin, May & Corbyn to name but a few. People who feel obliged to vote do so for such people as some of their ideals are generally unlikely to get through or implemented.
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SkyblueBazza
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...yes the point of being interviewed is generally to answer questions posed rather than challenge the interviewer on their views.
I noticed on question time he didn't even speak let alone interrupt others in the first near 25mins...that takes some doing given what he is trying to do & was not replicated by the other politicians on the panel. So he certainly has some real clever tactics in his toolbox. Cannot believe he will have been ignorant to the chances of interpretation...but maybe he is seeing this as a means of trying to gain access now/future to some of these wealthy people he claims are aiming for & funding this 'New World Order' he speaks of?
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Sick Boy
Super Moderator
You’d imagine that most people would steer clear of a programme presented by an interviewer with some weird beliefs, like the Sandy Hook shooting being staged.
Astute
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The rules are that you need a certain income to live where we are going to live. The income is low. And it doesn't matter where you earn it as long as you can prove it. I earn more than enough in just 3 months. What they don't want is people who are a drain on resources. They refuse them the right to stay. We will have to reapply each year for the first 3 years. The first time is after being there for 3 months. My mother has a neighbour who is Russian and her husband is an Aussie. He earns his money around the world and is hardly in France. She doesn't work. So my wife won't have to work. My pension if taken at 55 is well reduced but is still well over the minimum a couple have to have as an income.
And no I am not sure we would be OK. The only things sure in life is death and a lot of things to go wrong on the way.
Astute
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Peaceful? I take it you don't have as many kids and grandkids as me :woot:Even with a deal he won’t automatically have the right to move there by the time he plans to. I suppose it’s a rather extreme way of having a peaceful retirement though
There is also the right to family life. And my plan was always to travel. So we could spend 90 days there then travel for 90 days or more elsewhere. Then free to go back for another 90 days. But even this could change in the future.
That is the biggest problem with Brexit. Too many people thinking that their thoughts are right and refusing to listen to anything else. It has caused my wife to give her job that she enjoys up and take our children to a country where they are not fluent in the language. At least they should pass their English exams.
dutchman
Well-Known Member
So it's irrelevant whether Britain remains a member or not, you'll still have to fulfil the same earnings requirements?
Astute
Well-Known Member
From what I read it was more that those who can afford treatment outside the NH should do so. And I agree with this. I went private 3 years ago when needed and my treatment lasted well over 2 years.
dutchman
Well-Known Member
The problem with that is those who can afford private treatment will stop caring if the NHS is properly funded or not the same way those who can afford private pensions no longer care if the state pension is enough to live on or not.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Yes and no. Yes to be sure. But the UK is so easy. That is why it is the destination to aim for. Nobody wants to be the place for scroungers to aim for. But we allow much more than others.
If you can't afford to move somewhere you shouldn't go. But most do come here to work. I'm not moving to work. I'm moving for the lifestyle. I'm buying the house of our dreams for less than the price of a 2 up 2 down. And going where crime doesn't happen. I can't remember the last time we locked our house up. So had to go somewhere similar.
Astute
Well-Known Member
The rich don't use the NHS. But more could do private healthcare.
Astute
Well-Known Member
I said months ago what would happen. All I got was the normal comments. We have about half the population that wants what Farage is after. It was always going to go one way.
We are in dangerous times. What will Farage do after the Brexit party has served it's purpose? A party against the establishment? Farage for PM?
SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
Hang on...am I getting this right? You are moving to somewhere in France (?) where there are restrictions on the free movement of people?
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Sick Boy
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Britain could also implement these sort of rules but has chosen not to.