The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (8 Viewers)

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%

  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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clint van damme said:
Good job it only makes up a knats ball hair of our GDP.
Maybe the penny's dropping that it's not worth trashing manufacturing for. What the hell am I on about, penny dropping? Of course it's not!
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Fishing was always a red herring. The fish processing industry is far bigger and that’s set to take a hit from Brexit.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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chiefdave said:
Gove also said border checks were inevitable when we leave. Don't recall him saying that when he was campaigning.
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That was project here err... I mean fear. The cost to the chemical industry on the other hand is a new one I think. Maybe project fear was actually project optimism.
 
chiefdave

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At this point I'm assuming the only reason we're insisting on going ahead and leaving in December in the middle of a pandemic is so the government can shift the blame for as much of the negative impact of leave as possible onto covid.
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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chiefdave said:
At this point I'm assuming the only reason we're insisting on going ahead and leaving in December in the middle of a pandemic is so the government can shift the blame for as much of the negative impact of leave as possible onto covid.
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Doesn’t wash though. It’s a global pandemic so everyone is on an even playing field therefore it changes nothing. If Brexit is going to be a shit load of bollocks during a global pandemic it was always going to be a shit load of bollocks. If Brexit is going to be what was promised it would clearly be a benefit just when it’s needed most.
 
chiefdave

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skybluetony176 said:
Doesn’t wash though. It’s a global pandemic so everyone is on an even playing field therefore it changes nothing. If Brexit is going to be a shit load of bollocks during a global pandemic it was always going to be a shit load of bollocks. If Brexit is going to be what was promised it would clearly be a benefit just when it’s needed most.
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Don't disagree at all but that requires people to actually look past what they're being told by the likes of Johnson, Gove, Farage etc and we know that doesn't happen. They'll stand up and say Brexit would have been a fantastic success but for covid and anyone who points out the obvious flaw in the statement will be labelled a remoaner.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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skybluetony176 said:

#takingbackcontrol
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So something else we've been saying would happen from the start but dismissed as Project Fear has happened...

But hey, we don't want to be told what to do by other nations.

If they had any balls whatsover they say if they want the trade they put in the standards we have. if not we can have other partners that are willing to meet them. People like, I don't know, the EU maybe...
 
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AVWskyblue said:
Wheres Astute? Haven't seen him on here for ages, hope he and his family are ok

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He occupies Sunderland now, got annoyed here with people saying he was wrong, got wound up arguing with people who were trying to agree with him.
 
Grendel

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SkyBlueCharlie9

SkyBlueCharlie9

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wingy said:
Found it .
It's time for Britain to return to heptarchy.

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The Heptarchy, according to Bartholomew’s A literary & historical atlas of Europe (1914)
Geography is destiny, and there are some good geographical reasons why England became the dominant world power and not France.

England is 50,000 square miles, roughly the size of New York state, while France is four times that, as big as Texas. When England was united by King Athelstan in 927, he created a state ideally suited towards governing by a medieval monarch.

Aside from the need to have powerful barons on the northern and western frontier, itself a source of conflict throughout the later middle ages, it was about the right size to create the infrastructure to collect tax and administer justice, and all the other necessities for governing a successful nation-state. It was also about the right size for a fairly coherent national culture; English regional differences are minute compared to, say, Italy.

France, as anyone who has driven across the place with kids will appreciate, is massive. It was way too big, and too culturally diverse, to create the necessary infrastructure, which is why even in the days of the crusades the King of England could easily raise more tax than his French counterpart. And so England has never needed political devolution, except for the brief Council of the North, even though it has distinctive regional identities.

And so, when in the late 20th century demands for Scottish and Welsh devolution became overwhelming, the Government proposed solving the West Lothian Question by offering regional self-government in England too. The people of the North East were offered the chance — and turned it down, the No campaign run by one Dominic Cummings.

But perhaps it might be time to revisit the idea. Covid-19 has shown serious fundamental weaknesses in the British system of government; this may be just the bubble I live in but many people are dismayed at how badly the country works. The cabinet may be lightweight, and contain people not up to the job, but the institutional rot seems to go deeper.

I don’t know why, but compare how Germany’s federal system has coped with the shock so much better, and you have to wonder if regional governments here would have done a more effective job, too. Transport in some regions is clearly badly served by London, and I imagine in other areas like healthcare or planning regional governments would do better than the capital, which seems to attract so many mediocre people.

There is also still the problem of asymmetric devolution, which as it stands will surely lead to Scottish independence, because the current system sets everything up as a conflict between Westminster and Edinburgh. Were the English regions to have their own government then that would no longer be so much the case, and the Scottish FM would occasionally have to work alongside her counterparts in opposition to London, such as the First Minister of Northumbria.

And yes, of course we should also lose the dull, joyless names we currently give our regions and put Wessex, Mercia and Northumbria back on the map again.

Hopefully we’ll get this done in time for the 1100th anniversary of the Kingdom of England, as commemorated by me and about four other cranks. It looks like we’re well on the way to the ancient kingdom of Kent being restored to greatness, with the new Kent Access Permit. Hengist and Horsa must be smiling
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Living in Kent s nowt special mate, very mediocre and uninspiring place - could have been great but run and protected by conservative rural bumpkins.
 
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Seamus1

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chiefdave said:
Hope everyone is looking forward to their chlorinated chicken
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Not to mention maggots in orange juice.

Farmers did vote for this though (53%), and the ERG’s own expert Patrick Minford, who JR-M lauds, did state that leaving the EU would result in the end of farming and manufacturing in this country.

Farming down, manufacturing to go...
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Seamus1 said:
Not to mention maggots in orange juice.

Farmers did vote for this though (53%), and the ERG’s own expert Patrick Minford, who JR-M lauds, did state that leaving the EU would result in the end of farming and manufacturing in this country.

Farming down, manufacturing to go...
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Could never work out the farmers mentality on this. This was always an inevitable consequence of Brexit. Also the farmers asking the day after what about our EU grants and what about our EU seasonal workforce. Don’t vote to leave the EU then. Chlorinated Turkey’s voting for Xmas.
 
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Seamus1

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skybluetony176 said:
Could never work out the farmers mentality on this. This was always an inevitable consequence of Brexit. Also the farmers asking the day after what about our EU grants and what about our EU seasonal workforce. Don’t vote to leave the EU then. Chlorinated Turkey’s voting for Xmas.
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Cornwall too, the very day after the result was announced wanting assurance from Government that it will have the same amount of money it gets from the EU ring fenced by UK Gov’t.

I wish I could tell them to f**k off! They weighed up the pros and cons, they decided to go along with ‘sovereignty’ (which is an absolute joke now that we currently find ourselves in a time when so many are not liking the UK Government enacting laws by itself with regards to Covid) and blue passports, and somehow thought that the likes of Farage and J R-M actually cared about them!
 
shmmeee

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Just came across this. In case there’s anyone left that hasn’t seen Farage for the conman grifter he is:

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