Astute
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Which is what I said previously. And somehow not noticed by everyone else.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (7 Viewers)
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Brighton Sky Blue
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No harm done.
hill83
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Got any mistletoe?
Skybluefaz
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Fair enough, I imagine Liquid was playing up to the mail article that mentioned Navy vessels armed with missiles and guns. Nevertheless it's not helpful.
Astute
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What do you think this is? Bloody Christmas or something
Brighton Sky Blue
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What do you think this is? Bloody Christmas or something
Kissmas I was hoping for
Astute
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No. Nothing to do with being armed. Just patrolling like they do now. And that was my point. You can say what you want if you only look at this debacle from one side. The vast majority won't pull you up on anything. And if anyone does point out the lies/twisting of the truth the others jump straight on their back. It isn't a debate.
Astute
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Skybluefaz
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Yes, but the mail made a point of mentioning the weapons. Even though we know French trawlers aren't going to be blown out of the sea. You make a fair point though.
skybluetony176
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Agree that the same people dismissing hostilities in Europe as project fear are now calling for hostilities in Europe.
Astute
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I don't read the Mail.
What I try is to have an open mind. Brexit has been a mini disaster for us especially since the virus came along. Wanting to know the truth doesn't mean I am for it. I want to know the truth so I can plan ahead.
Not seen wife and youngest kids since summer. If we leave without a deal I won't be able to see them until our numbers are very low. Only 8 countries outside of the EU can visit presently. Yet some still think or make out I am anti EU and all for Brexit. I am having to retire 5 years earlier than planned and am missing out on my youngest 2 growing up. I am supposed to be anti Labour because I could see we didn't have a hope of winning an election with Corbyn in charge. The list could go on.
Brexit will be a bad mistake for us short term at least if there isn't a decent deal to be had. But as I have been saying for a few years the EU won't let us leave if they can help it without a deal heavily in their favour. We seem to not want that to happen under any circumstances. So IMHO we will continue as we are. Fern went quiet when I showed him the latest idea from the EU which he tried to make out as something different.
Too much is at stake. Communities are at stake. I lived near Grimsby when fishing got destroyed by the EU rules. Many thousands rely on fishing. That is why the EU are pushing it all the way.
fernandopartridge
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It's literally so eg airlines still have a license to travel between the UK and Europe. Without an agreement this doesn't exist, so you need an emergency provision so people aren't stranded. It's nothing like an extension to the transition where EU law applies
Astute
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So what about the continuation of freight? Are you saying that only EU registered vehicles can carry freight? This was worded in exactly the same way.
And strangely enough so was the rights to fish in UK water. This used the exact same wording. I know it is a bitter pill to swallow as it is what I have predicted for a few years if there isn't a deal yet you have rubbished all along. Just like your latest comment on it being nonsense.
We would have to agree to all. An agreement but not an extension. This would keep Boris happy. He would be telling the truth for once. Macron would be happy as he has told his fishing communities that they will keep the right to fish in UK water. Just like every coastal country in northern Europe. Germany would be able to continue selling to us tariff free. And we would be the same.
Sick Boy
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Somehow I don’t think think he was being deadly serious...
Liquid Gold
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It was clearly comic exaggeration on how shit it all is. Knickers proper in a twist.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Unlike a certain ex-poster with his ‘throwaway comment’ about shooting dinghies
Grendel
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Of course it’s clearly not meant lol
Brighton Sky Blue
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Of course, though out of the two I know who was more serious
shmmeee
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That’s not what that document says and most of the measures are for six months only.
You’re making out this would be the new normal next year, it wouldn’t be. It’s emergency measures to allow some limited services to continue running. It’s not a long term deal. The default would still be no deal.
Astute
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If only. Was just a normal day on here though.
Astute
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I didn't say the new norm.
Things to carry on until an agreement can be made. That is the EU version at least. And it can't be made out to mean anything else as it is their own site and their own words.
As I also said we have to read between the lines to work out the full extent of it. Extend air travel as nobody is ready. Extend road travel as nobody is ready. And over 80% of haulage is by EU hauliers. Extend trains as nobody is ready. Extend fishing in UK water as nobody is ready.
So is anybody ready?
Just a complete shambles.
Brighton Sky Blue
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We’re world beatingly ready
chiefdave
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Rumours seem to be gathering pace that Johnson has backed down on the level playing field provisions. If correct does that mean we're now down to just fishing, surely we're not going to let a deal fall apart for something thats a relatively small part of the economy?
Astute
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My guess would be only if it could be made to look like some sort of victory for Boris.
Astute
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I take it you do know we are vastly limited to what we can catch in our own water......
Astute
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We're not even ready to beat an egg.
tisza
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Backs down on that then what was the point of Brexit? Backing down would basically be accepting the "ratchet" clause?
tisza
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surely you've got to put in the different colour arrows for non-UK boats in UK territorial waters to get a clear picture?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Dunno why they bother with all these advisors - they just make them look like twats as they struggle being someone they're not. Probably the biggest waste of money in politics (and that's saying something!)
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But the ones who campaigned for it in the main aren't used to taking responsibility. For many (esp in the ERG) their life has been having all the power and influence yet somehow never being to blame for anything going wrong. It's called privilege.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Ask not what your country can do for you....
Trouble is they don't see this is them admitting the whole thing is a mistake. It was sold on the premise you wouldn't HAVE to do anything to make it a success - it was a foregone conclusion that everything would be an improvement and we'd all be better off. Anyone saying different was a scaremonger and lier.
They could just as easily have done a ten ways YOU can help make EU membership a success for Britain before the vote. For some reason they didn't...
Both have moved on level playing field (rumours that Merkel maybe had a word to shift the EUs position away for automatic ratchet clause which Barnier/Macron previously wanted) It looks like it’s down to the mechanism and adjudicator on LPF (as we all were aluding to on Saturday) as the main sticking point.
Agreed on fishing though, it would be crazy for both sides to let deal collapse on this so hopefully it can be ironed out (together with the above)