Has it been announced what the actual question will be?
Why doesn't she get a vote? I didn't realise that - is it to do with nationality as I thought after 5 years, you can go for dual nationality/passport as I remember a few year back the media clamouring for Almunia (Arsenal keeper) to play for England before we had anyone decent!
Obviously in the event of a vote to leave she would be allowed to stay but she has already said that under no circumstances would she want to stay in a country that seeks to put blame on working EU migrants.
Yep.Has it been announced what the actual question will be?
Why doesn't she get a vote? I didn't realise that - is it to do with nationality as I thought after 5 years, you can go for dual nationality/passport as I remember a few year back the media clamouring for Almunia (Arsenal keeper) to play for England before we had anyone decent!
Does a vote to leave automatically do that?
Why Mrs Clegg won't be voting for her husband - she's not allowed to
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She works in the NHS, so they would offer her the right to stay. The point is that she would not want to stay in the country should the vote be to leave.
Don't worry, there'll be no 'mass exodus' of EU workers in the event of a leave' vote.
Don't worry, there'll be no 'mass exodus' of EU workers in the event of a leave' vote.
They'll still be here earning great money by their standards.
Let's face it, with unemployment rates pushing 12% in Italy and Portugal and over 20% in Spain, the EU is a pretty unattractive place to start looking for a job.
Hows it going to work then? If people are voting to leave the EU then those from Europe working here will no longer be able to work here will they? Unless we're keeping the same rules in which case the whole thing is a bit pointless.
But my point is, why does a vote to leave have to be an anti-foreigner one?
My problem is I can be quite left leaning, be pro immigration and pro regulation of human rights etc... all things with the EU protects.
However, in an age of devolved power, I'm uncomfortable with the contradiction that comes with a centralised power base across Europe, and also uncomfortable with the restrictions in place that prevent state aid being used to its max, and also prevent import tariffs and the like that could protect our own industry (I think it would be better to pick and choose who we have free trade agreements with).
As such... if people would just stop with the immigration line, and tell me the other ramifications one way or another, I could vote either way.
I said earlier... the sad event is that immigration overwhelms the other arguments as everybody comes to this with empty rhetoric. But there can be other reasons to vote for and against closer union with other nations.
Europeans lived and worked here before Britain joined the Common Market so there's no reason why they shouldn't live and work here if Britain leaves.
Likewise there were Britons living and working in europe before Britain joined the Common Market so there's no reason they wouldn't still live and work in europe if Britain leaves.
So freedom of movement would still exist then?
That depends on how you define "freedom of movement"?
Almost four-fifths of immigrants to Britain each year are from outside the EU (mainly from Africa and India) and they seem to have no problem living and working here.
Official treasury forecasts also depend on net-immigration figures each year being at least as great as they are now so it is unlikely the government will suddenly impose any kind of reduction.
I actually agree with you but most of the arguments that come out of the leave camp are to do with migration, reclaiming Britain's borders etc etc. Those who are here from EU countries are interpreting it as anti-foreigner.
So this is the responsibility of those in the know to sell me the other arguiments against.
If all I get is the immigration line then I'm voting to stay in. I'm not comfortable with it all, however.
That depends on how you define "freedom of movement"?
Almost four-fifths of immigrants to Britain each year are from outside the EU (mainly from Africa and India) and they seem to have no problem living and working here.
Official treasury forecasts also depend on net-immigration figures each year being at least as great as they are now so it is unlikely the government will suddenly impose any kind of reduction.
Are you trying to suggest that it is relatively easy for anyone to come and live and work here. I have frienda from south American who can't even get a visa to visit here
Tony: I refer you to Michael Gove's excellent essay. Really superb stuff.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ent-on-why-he-is-backing-brexit-a6886221.html
and in particular these sections:
I believe that the decisions which govern all our lives, the laws we must all obey and the taxes we must all pay should be decided by people we choose and who we can throw out if we want change. If power is to be used wisely, if we are to avoid corruption and complacency in high office, then the public must have the right to change laws and Governments at election time.
But our membership of the European Union prevents us being able to change huge swathes of law and stops us being able to choose who makes critical decisions which affect all our lives. Laws which govern citizens in this country are decided by politicians from other nations who we never elected and can’t throw out.
... the European Union, despite the undoubted idealism of its founders and the good intentions of so many leaders, has proved a failure on so many fronts. The euro has created economic misery for Europe’s poorest people. European Union regulation has entrenched mass unemployment. EU immigration policies have encouraged people traffickers and brought desperate refugee camps to our borders.
The EU is built to keep power and control with the elites rather than the people. Even though we are outside the euro we are still subject to an unelected EU commission which is generating new laws every day and an unaccountable European Court in Luxembourg which is extending its reach every week, increasingly using the Charter of Fundamental Rights which in many ways gives the EU more power and reach than ever before. This growing EU bureaucracy holds us back in every area.
Does anyone have details of the deal done by Cameron which is supposed to sway us to vote to stay?
Does anyone have details of the deal done by Cameron which is supposed to sway us to vote to stay?
So as sickboy says, a farce!He's not got done much of a deal and nowhere near what he said he was going to do.
Child benefit will be paid at the rate in which the child resides.
An "emergency brake" to limit in-work benefits during a EU migrants first four years in the UK. But can only be applied in the event of exceptional levels of migration and for a maximum of 7 years.
Any British money spent on bailing out eurozone nations will be reimbursed.
Exemption from any EU regulations for UK financial services industry.
Denying automatic free movement to anyone marrying an EU national.
Powers to exclude people believed to be a security risk even those with no previous convictions.
So as sickboy says, a farce!
Tbh mate, it's all been about Boris v Cameron today. I feel that the Pro's and cons haven't been widely explained to us so far. So I'm on the fence atm. You've got the BBC throwing in the "we'll be at more risk from terrorists" line. Then you've got the papers who just salivate over a Boris Johnson v David Cameron duel. So far what really matters seems to be getting lost amongst the gallons of bullshit.I don't live in the UK, so I do not know all the arguments. I would like to know what the alternative to EU membership is. Seems from here to be crazy for a small island consisting of 3 countries plus a province on a neighbouring island to go it alone in a world which has become smaller because of travel and trade growth. What if Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland decide to hold referendums to split from the UK? I think the UK has to stay in the EU, the alternative seems worse than continued membership. We have to deal with rivals such as USA and Russia and the collapse of much of Arabia into civil wars and religious wars. I don't see us having much weight in world politics as the UK on it's own.
Then you've got the papers who just salivate over a Boris Johnson v David Cameron duel.
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