The goalkeepers (2 Viewers)

PVA · Sunday at 2:00 PM

Surely it's time to give Dovin an extended run in the side now.

Dovin has been fairly average so far but Collins and Wilson aren't going to get any better, Dovin is so give him a chance.

Fair enough Collins played because the other two were injured, but statistically he's the worst goalkeeper in the league this season, by some distance - he's currently costing a goal a game (-0.98/game) with dreadful shot stopping (next worst is on -0.47 per game, then Wilson is third worst at -0.36!). And he's one of only three keepers not to claim a cross all season.

shmmeee · Sunday at 2:05 PM

Fuck me I knew he was bad but that’s terrible!

EalingSB · Sunday at 2:06 PM

I don't think Dovin has done a lot wrong, certainly not enough for all of this chopping and changing. He is a very highly-rated young keeper with a lot of scope to improve considerably. Definitely needs a run in the team now.

FergieTheFinisher · Sunday at 2:22 PM

The stats are horrendous.

Sheff United had 2 shots on target we conceded 2 goals!
Burnley had 3 shots on target, we conceded 2 goals.
Cardiff had 4 shots on target and we conceded another 2 goals.

I don’t believe Collins deserves another start. If he starts against Millwall then what would it say about the way the others are performing in training…..

Jamesimus · Sunday at 2:24 PM

Still don’t understand why Dovin was dropped. People on here moaned about him, but then again people on here are unhinged.

I agree I’d like to see Dovin given a fair chance, even if he makes couple of mistakes, he needs a bit of time to learn on the job.

SkyBlueSam01 · Sunday at 2:27 PM

For me goalkeeper was the ideal position to add some experience and leadership to the side and it baffled me that we went for a 21yo in the summer. Could have had someone really experienced marshalling our young defence and helping them out on set pieces etc without needing a McFadzean type taking up a spot in the defence

Balli001 · Sunday at 2:27 PM

Jamesimus said:
Still don’t understand why Dovin was dropped. People on here moaned about him, but then again people on here are unhinged.

I agree I’d like to see Dovin given a fair chance, even if he makes couple of mistakes, he needs a bit of time to learn on the job.

He wasn't dropped this time. Got injured pre Sunderland and Collins played ok.

SeaSeeEffCee · Sunday at 2:27 PM

If you spend over a million on a keeper he should be first choice. The fact that the bloke we tried to replace last year and the bloke we tried to replace this year have both played 4+ games this season is a colossal failure for all involved with the recruitment and development of the goalkeeping department.

larry_david · Sunday at 2:27 PM

I've not seen Dovin come for a single cross either

TomRad85 · Sunday at 2:28 PM

Agree, stick with Dovin. Having 3 keepers play in our starting 11 already sums up what a disorganised mess we are defensively.

Sky Blue Goblin · Sunday at 2:28 PM

PVA said:
Surely it's time to give Dovin an extended run in the side now.

Dovin has been fairly average so far but Collins and Wilson aren't going to get any better, Dovin is so give him a chance.

Fair enough Collins played because the other two were injured, but statistically he's the worst goalkeeper in the league this season, by some distance - he's currently costing a goal a game (-0.98/game) with dreadful shot stopping (next worst is on -0.47 per game, then Wilson is third worst at -0.36!). And he's one of only three keepers not to claim a cross all season.

100% agree on Dovin and hope Saturday was due to Frank taking a lot of advice from Rhys as he wouldn’t have time to really evaluate his squad.

Curiously where does Dovin rank?

Alkhen · Sunday at 2:30 PM

PVA said:
Surely it's time to give Dovin an extended run in the side now.

Dovin has been fairly average so far but Collins and Wilson aren't going to get any better, Dovin is so give him a chance.

Fair enough Collins played because the other two were injured, but statistically he's the worst goalkeeper in the league this season, by some distance - he's currently costing a goal a game (-0.98/game) with dreadful shot stopping (next worst is on -0.47 per game, then Wilson is third worst at -0.36!). And he's one of only three keepers not to claim a cross all season.

Yep, Dovin needs a run, he's not had all that to do when he's played and he's not dropped a bollock yet unlike the other two. We sunk a big chunk of cash into getting him so may as well give him time to develop and adjust to the Championship.

I was raging at the second goal yesterday, looked really poor from Collins live. On review it was a decent swerving effort that the defence should have closed down.

shmmeee · Sunday at 2:32 PM

Alkhen said:
Yep, Dovin needs a run, he's not had all that to do when he's played and he's not dropped a bollock yet unlike the other two. We sunk a big chunk of cash into getting him so may as well give him time to develop and adjust to the Championship.

I was raging at the second goal yesterday, looked really poor from Collins live. On review it was a decent swerving effort that the defence should have closed down.

I think think you shouldn’t get beaten like that from that range. Should have your posts covered.

Sick Boy · Sunday at 2:33 PM

Dovin should be first choice, Wilson released in the summer and Collins moved on if there are takers.

shmmeee · Sunday at 2:34 PM

Sick Boy said:
Dovin should be first choice, Wilson released in the summer and Collins moved on if there are takers.

This. Then an experienced Moore type signing in the summer for support.

Cally Fedora · Sunday at 2:34 PM

It has to be Dovin. He has potential the others don’t.

Cov98 · Sunday at 2:34 PM

Collins just isn't up to standard, simple as.
His distribution is good and he's alright with the ball at his feet but other than that he's pants.

Wilson is one of those where he can have 10 unbelievable games, followed by 10 howlers, which is why he's always been a backup.

Dovin is young, highly rated and was supposed to be our number 1.

I think the trial runs of Collins and Wilson are well and truly done at this point.

PVA · Sunday at 2:35 PM

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Curiously where does Dovin rank?

Slightly below average.

Couldn't fit all the keepers on one screen to get low enough to show Collins and Wilson there are 3 more at the top not shown, including Johansson who would have been my pick for a new keeper in the summer.

shmmeee · Sunday at 2:37 PM

PVA said:
Slightly below average.

Couldn't fit all the keepers on one screen to get low enough to show Collins and Wilson there are 3 more at the top not shown, including Johansson who would have been my pick for a new keeper in the summer.

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ptr · Sunday at 2:38 PM

Collins was absolutely dreadful last year…beyond hopeless. So we pay for a new goalkeeper with potential and drop him. One of a few bizarre decisions this year. Collins nowhere near good enough.

Sky Blue Goblin · Sunday at 2:40 PM

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PVA said:
Slightly below average.

Couldn't fit all the keepers on one screen to get low enough to show Collins and Wilson there are 3 more at the top not shown, including Johansson who would have been my pick for a new keeper in the summer.

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shmmeee · Sunday at 2:45 PM

At least Ben Wilson is a lad

Alkhen · Sunday at 2:47 PM

shmmeee said:
I think think you shouldn’t get beaten like that from that range. Should have your posts covered.

He totally could have done better but on the highlights it's not quite as horrendous as it looked from where I was sat in real time. Didn't quite see the swerve live.

Both goals were crap defending. Really hope we can get a specialist defense coach in. Been crap since Lawrence left. I've not fully given up on the 4 CBs yet all pretty young. I like to see us targeting someone with a bit of experience to settle them down and set standards in January. Also desperate for cover for MvE as when he's off it he looks awful, be nice to give him a break and give him some competition.

Sod it I'll take a LB whilst I'm at it

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sunday at 2:52 PM

I'd bring Dovin back in.

Not entirely convinced by him (not vocal enough or command his box enough) but he's not had a terrible game.

Collins didn't hold a single shot yesterday - every single one bounced off him into the six yard area. As a coach I'd look at that and make sure a striker was always following in. Plus in the few games he's played he's let some shots pretty much at him through his hands because of spaghetti wrists.

SBT · Sunday at 2:56 PM

The fixation on changing keepers as a way to solve our defensive woes has held us back ever since we moved away from the ultra-safe 3ATB style. Invest in some decent centre-backs ffs.

Seymour_East · Sunday at 4:20 PM

Collins does a bad impression of a goalkeeper, let Dovin have another chance, except for not coming for crosses (mind blowing why not) he’s made some decent saves, Collins really couldn’t save a penny.

Ashdown · Sunday at 4:23 PM

PVA said:
Surely it's time to give Dovin an extended run in the side now.

Dovin has been fairly average so far but Collins and Wilson aren't going to get any better, Dovin is so give him a chance.

Fair enough Collins played because the other two were injured, but statistically he's the worst goalkeeper in the league this season, by some distance - he's currently costing a goal a game (-0.98/game) with dreadful shot stopping (next worst is on -0.47 per game, then Wilson is third worst at -0.36!). And he's one of only three keepers not to claim a cross all season.

What a load of tosh , Collins has had to face the top sides in 3 out 4 of his appearances. He's not infallible but he has been left very exposed by the defenders.

skybluegod · Sunday at 4:24 PM

Dovin for Wilson I semi understood with wanting a bigger voice and communicator.

But Collins, looked ok last season but has been hopeless so far. 8 goals conceded in 4 games is so poor, and even the save he did make yesterday was poor.

Dovin hasn't made any real mistakes and whilst he isn't a dominating keeper the only way he becomes that is with experience and being allowed to develop into it.

Shannerz · Sunday at 4:28 PM

ptr said:
Collins nowhere near good enough.

I'll never be able to get past that game against Hull where he absolutely bottled a challenge and let their guy tap it in.

Ccfcisparks · Sunday at 4:30 PM

Why would we not play the player we spent a significant whack on this summer

Bova · Sunday at 4:32 PM

Collins is absolute shite

Seymour_East · Sunday at 4:52 PM

Ashdown said:
What a load of tosh , Collins has had to face the top sides in 3 out 4 of his appearances. He's not infallible but he has been left very exposed by the defenders.

Take into account last season too, Collins exposed or not, is a terrible goalkeeper, can’t see how you believe that’s tosh.

Calista · Sunday at 4:54 PM

PVA said:
And he's one of only three keepers not to claim a cross all season.

Are the other two Dovin and Wilson?

Para1140 · Sunday at 5:16 PM

Id bin off Collins keep Wilson and Dovin. Wilson is a fairy experienced championship keeper who is vocal and a good shop stopper.
decide who is going to be number one between them and get rid of Collins. Collins never comes for a cross and thats two games now since hes been back we have conceded goals where he should have done better

napolimp · Sunday at 5:17 PM

Ccfcisparks said:
Why would we not play the player we spent a significant whack on this summer

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