TomRad85
Well-Known Member
Can he prune hedges?
Can he prune hedges?No chance we offer Wilson a new contract.
But that's the whole point of the xG stats - it takes everything else out and purely focuses on a goalkeeper's shot stopping performance.
Doesn't matter if he faces 1 shot a game or 100 shots a game and it doesn't matter if the attacker is unmarked 6 yards out or taking a shot from 30 yards. All of that is taken into account.
I'm not saying GK is the only issue, of course not, but with our leaky defence we need a solid keeper who saves more than they let in and with Collins that's not the case. We'd be much better off with say Johansson in goal behind this same shit defence.
Not necessarily the case. I’m a big fan of these data metrics but I’ll point out examples of how they’re not infallible.
Firstly, Collins had a better goals versus xgA than Johansson last season. In fact, Collins was a top 6 or thereabouts keeper last season. By this logic, Collins is good enough which is a view I don’t agree with anymore.
Secondly, Collins has been in goal for only a few games and that stat will be skewed by 3 goals specifically the second goals in the Sunderland, Burnley and Cardiff games. All long range shots (bar the Burnley goal) where the defence gave plenty of space for these shots to be well placed - all low xG chances leading to goals.
It would help if you stated that you were going off PSxG. Presumably, PSxG would weight long range shots lower than close range ones so the logic behind my argument holds still.I think you have possibly confused the difference between expected goals and post shot expected goals.
xG is irrelevant when judging a keeper, but PSxG is a direct judgement of a keepers shot stopping and has nothing to do with the defenders.
Some of these are fairly standard saves, but not sure we'd have stopped that first one with Dovin, Wilson and Collins all stood in goal together
He did have a career year but a good goalkeeper will only add so much. Look at Johansson at Stoke, last season he conceded 89 goals and is considered a solid Championship goalkeeper.
Structurally, it’s our defence that has always been the problem since Feb. We can’t keep clean sheets and I think Collins was a scapegoat last season but we’ve been leaking goals even without him in goal.
It’s easy to look at the shots on target to goals conceded (xgA v goals conceded too) and conclude the GK is the issue. It’s not. There was several goals in this stretch where opposition players are finding themselves free in the box and that is the issue. How many free shots do we get 6-10 yards from goal?!
Collins deserves a bit of stick for Burnley’s first goal the other day, however, Sarimento shouldn’t be free in the box to have a point blank shot at goal if we defend properly. In that 22/23 season our defending in those areas was top notch, we never really lost headers in the box and we committed a lot of last ditch blocks.
It would help if you stated that you were going off PSxG. Presumably, PSxG would weight long range shots lower than close range ones so the logic behind my argument holds still.
In any case, Collins performed well on the PSxG metric last season his per 90 stat was marginally lower than Johansson’s as he played 16 less games and face a lot less shots than Rotherham!
Not really, that’s an assumption. There are some long shots that you have no chance of saving if they’re powerful and well placed. Cardiff’s shot was well placed at the weekend and Sunderland’s 2nd goal was a great shot. I didn’t expect the GK to save them necessarily.We had defenders and a keeper who whatever their shortcomings looked like they’d rather die than let a goal in. Organised by an absolute warrior. We couldn’t be further from 22/23 defensively sadly.
that’s because long range shots are easier to save. All three you mention Collins could have done better on so it’s fair no?
He parried at least two into the danger zone on SaturdayCollins has faced 14 shots and conceded 8 goals.
Lies ,damn lies and statisticsNot necessarily the case. I’m a big fan of these data metrics but I’ll point out examples of how they’re not infallible.
Firstly, Collins had a better goals versus xgA than Johansson last season. In fact, Collins was a top 6 or thereabouts keeper last season. By this logic, Collins is good enough which is a view I don’t agree with anymore.
Secondly, Collins has been in goal for only a few games and that stat will be skewed by 3 goals specifically the second goals in the Sunderland, Burnley and Cardiff games. All long range shots (bar the Burnley goal) where the defence gave plenty of space for these shots to be well placed - all low xG chances leading to goals.
Couldn’t save a Word document ffs - woeful.Collins has faced 14 shots and conceded 8 goals.
It’s one of the first things a goalkeeper learns not to do. Unless he’s coached by Aled WilliamsHe parried at least two into the danger zone on Saturday
I think all this shows that in January we should buy a fourth first choice goalkeeper and continue to neglect centre midfieldSlightly below average.
Couldn't fit all the keepers on one screen to get low enough to show Collins and Wilsonthere are 3 more at the top not shown, including Johansson who would have been my pick for a new keeper in the summer.
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Derby had one shot on target - we conceded two goals!!!!!The stats are horrendous.
Sheff United had 2 shots on target we conceded 2 goals!
Burnley had 3 shots on target, we conceded 2 goals.
Cardiff had 4 shots on target and we conceded another 2 goals.
I don’t believe Collins deserves another start. If he starts against Millwall then what would it say about the way the others are performing in training…..
One more keeper should do itI think all this shows that in January we should buy a fourth first choice goalkeeper and continue to neglect centre midfield
Last season we went on a very good run. Conceded 4 goals in 10 games including, Leeds, Southampton, mboro and Sunderland, defence for all those games was Collins, mve, kitching, Thomas, bidwell, they were good enough last season ? We played a back four, maybe back to basics instead of messing about with formations, frank will work it outAll three are poor and not championship standard. The defence are over compensating for their incompetence, lack of direction and vocals. Obvious from inability to catch a ball, command the area and take a cross. Three things that are not directly the defender’s responsibility.
Don’t disagree on the two of them but we’ve not seen enough of Dovin to know whether he’s good (or as bad!).All three are poor and not championship standard. The defence are over compensating for their incompetence, lack of direction and vocals. Obvious from inability to catch a ball, command the area and take a cross. Three things that are not directly the defender’s responsibility.
No, but two of them are likely to be hit on the head by the kettle on the other side of the pub, in an attempt to catch it.Can any of them throw a kettle over a pub?
It swerved so much it looked like it had taken a deflection. Which I don’t think it had.Yep, Dovin needs a run, he's not had all that to do when he's played and he's not dropped a bollock yet unlike the other two. We sunk a big chunk of cash into getting him so may as well give him time to develop and adjust to the Championship.
I was raging at the second goal yesterday, looked really poor from Collins live. On review it was a decent swerving effort that the defence should have closed down.
I feel like our GK performances are pretty much in line with what you’d expect from the calibre of keeper that we’ve bought in, with the exception of Wilson who’s improved significantly.For a while now I have had little to no confidence in the Goalkeeping department as a whole, that includes the Goalkeeper Coach. What does he work on them with all week? Maybe he is the problem? Our Goalkeepers don't seem to develop and that is worrying because we have a couple of young keepers that we are told have a lot of potential, entrusting their development and progress to Aled Williams may be a mistake.
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