Michael certainly companies have to register with the data protection act if they hold any personal data. I think you would be on very shakey ground going for any of these kind of things.
This is why I say ePetitions are a nightmare! They were brought in to make it easy and cheaper for the government to process - not to make them more accountable!
Nick, you might be right. As I said I'm not sure how much a full page feature is at the CET, but I would have thought at the bare minimum you are looking at a few £100. Then how often are you printing this ad? Once a week / month? only once? Just look how often TV adverts appear per day! If you know how to market better than amnesty international, red cross, RNLI, RBL, and the royal navy, and they will do it for free, then can I have their address please. I can only assume this is naive bravado rather than practical experience.
It is fascinating just how defensive some of these lot are. It's like they just cannot face up to any problems!
I mean now we have just getting a signature and filling in later! Is this april's fools or a genuine thought?
I assume none of them have heard of the data protection act. There's another cost added to the cause!
So from being free you are paying for a web domain for a year (assuming you do the website development for free of course), you are paying to register for the data protection act, probably need a separate PC (as it will contain private data and their almost certainly will have an issue having this on a just any old PC/laptop). and you are back to paying for public liability insurance (which was the reason you weren't doing this in the first place!)
How could you leave a laptop in a pub? are you going to allow the public to potentially access other people's data? That is of course ignoring the high risk of theft!
I mean come on guys are these all practical jokes against the new guy? Or are some of you genuinely this naive?
I mean you are talking of a stall at the england match - who is paying for that? And you still are going to need insurance!
Let me spell it out.
If you campaign in public you are going to need public liability insurance! Unless on private ground, you are going also to need a licence to legally distribute. Who is going to fund this?
Come on people, these are basic questions that should have been asked before this petition was even cosidered!
But please enlighten me if you have practical experience of running a successful street campaign on this scale without a budget. Because I have never experienced any successful campaign that hasn't spent thousands.
Even pub flyer campaigns can become pricey when they are scaled up.
But of course what would I know - this campaign has been successful without a single mention in the local or national papers, has had no free advertising, and hasn't already had plugs on national sports radio shows!
Yes this campaign has had no marketing whatsoever so far! (totally naive)
I would never have tried parliament - I would have gone for FIFA / UEFA
I would have asked them at looking into bringing in licencing of owners - to ensure they have a minimum set of standards, and have to abide by a code of conduct.
This would mean....
1) It is world / europe wide
2) Limits their ability for legal challenges / burdening clubs with high legal bills.
For example part of the licence would mean you lose your licence if you leave the catchment area - no club would ever leave the catchment area!
They couldn't take them to court, because it is a rule they agreed to when they signed the licence permitting them to run the club! Even if they did they would be suing FIFA - Guessing they have better lawyers than the Higgs trust or ACL!
Maybe they won't agree, but at least it would have raised the profile to INTERNATIONAL attention! Then if FIFA have made a point of looking into it, it may well be announced on the news, so MILLIONS will have the issue in the back of their minds!
It still might not work, but I suggested making the issue not just coventry based, not even UK based, but GLOBAL!
And I suspect it wouldn't cost much more than you have spent already!
Just a thought!
Good ideas. What's stopping you from pursuing it? Crack on!
Bit out there, but how about getting on to Ed Milliband. His recent speech was all about "people powered services" and giving the common person a choice, not to mention his issues with "casino banking" and unaccountable power. Might get him to namedrop our cause if presented the right way. Considering he's likely to be the next PM would probably actually be something Joy would take notice of as well.
Anyone got any Labour connections?
If there is a space for a signature with a disclaimer saying I agree for my information to be used in the petition of so and so, I don't see an issue.
Not sure about creating an email address for somebody although it would eliminate the problem of people who do not have email addresses being able to sign the petition.
The Flaw in SBvets own idea off the top of his head is to rely on a corrupt pair of Individuals who act as though there should be some sort of Royal accession to the throne ,as against an epetition which intends to compel a democratically elected body to follow through with legislation promised if similar bodies who act like the Eufa /fifa cartels fail to implement there own policing recommendations .In the process contradicting himself by limiting his suggestion to owners only ,whereas the epetition is asking for an enquiry where all relevant parties would be subject to extreme scrutiny of their actions.
The wife has signed it today....anything that may eventually lead to me being out of her hair on a Saturday afternoon has her full support!!! Im promoting it at work as well
I think in a month or so, we go back on the message boards of the other clubs with an update (as I doubt they check) of where we are and ask them to keep plugging away and spreading the word. Perhaps we co-ordinate the wording on that so we're delivering a consistent message.
Good idea. I'm happy to draft something and post for people to comment on. Maybe aim for mid March?
Do we know what proportion of sigs have come from non-CV postcodes? That would give a rough indication of support from non-Coventry supporters, and possibly highlight how successful the 'awareness on football boards' has been?
How do you see the post codes that have filled it in? Can you get any other data from it or just post codes?
Have you signed the petition Nick?! You had to put in your postcode. Someone managed to pull a file with this info so you could see where the signatures were coming from.
What other data would you want? I doubt you could get any more, or use it, due to data protection.
WM
I know you put in your postcode, I just wondered what data can be seen
Don't know mate. I doubt we could get much else but it's useful to see the postcode breakdown. I'll ask whoever did it to run an updated one.
Just re-read my last reply to you back. Looked a little strong/forward...apologies, not meant like that
WM
No I know it wasn't I just didn't know who / how the data was available
Don't know mate. I doubt we could get much else but it's useful to see the postcode breakdown. I'll ask whoever did it to run an updated one.
Just re-read my last reply to you back. Looked a little strong/forward...apologies, not meant like that
WM
Getting on for another 300 already today. For Spencer club on the 26th I've got my list of people I've promised to get a drink as an apology but if you're in the vicinity I'd be very happy indeed to buy you a pint as a token thanks for your awesome efforts on this
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