The Players (2 Viewers)

[bigfatronssba]

What are you on about,proper fans ? There will be over 20,000 there again on Tuesday. Just fans,not proper not super.
Think you need to take a break and come back when we’re winning.

But they weren’t there in 2018 so aren’t proper fans right?

Only the truly righteous who attend every game, regardless of how bad things get are proper fans it seems

 

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[Jamesimus]

Good God Man, What You Going to Do When Things Get Really Bad.

Anyone Know The Samaritans Telephone Number ?

If you keep on posting putting a capital letter at the start of every single word then I’m going to be calling The Samaritans

 

[skybluecam]

The ability is there, but the application isn't. There's certain players that are obviously not up for the scrap, and therefore they probably shouldn't be playing. If you cannot motivate yourself at a professional level of football something is quite badly wrong, and if your manager is grieving, some should be stepping up, but they're not. We are crying out for some hard-working leaders right now. I think Robins will have more time, but it will run out fast if this carries on.

Who are these "certain players" then?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Who are these "certain players" then?

Half the fucking team mate.

 

[StrettoBoy]

On the plus side, looking at the performances over the weekend, I would say that we are the equal of Manchester United.

 

[skybluecam]

Half the fucking team mate.

That's clarified it nicely cheers

What's more believable? That we've managed to recruit a squad full of players with no character, and those that showed character last year have somehow lost it? Or that they're lacking direction right now due to the management, and poor results are compounding that?

If it was one, or two, or three players that looked lost that's a personnel issue. When it's all of them it's something else.

 

[ccfc922]

I think at this point fans need to stop obsessing about promotion this season.

The players need to improve because whoever is in charge this is the group we have

In fairness, it was the club who have pushed promotion during the pre season. Then the strange "we'll see where we are" approach at the beginning of the season.

As a fan, I'm quite confused as what to expect this season. I went to Stoke expecting us to win and we lost against a poor team on the day.

The poor performances have continued all season so far, we're not just talking about unlucky results. Even our one "good" performance and league win has been a last minute scrape through against a team favourites to go back down.

 

[ccfc922]

We can blame Robins, King or whoever we like but there's no excuse for basic footballing ability or effort and that's on the players.

We are in year 2 with this group and we have hit rock bottom. Barring a few exceptions like MVE my faith in the group is gone.

Promotion is already looking extremely unlikely. I would look at moving as many of these on and starting again the next two windows.

Let's make a profit on Simms, Wright, MVE and hopefully convince someone to slap 8-10 million down on Sheaf. I'd also look at moving on at least one of thomas/kitching and bring in a proven CB.

There are a bunch of players stealing a living atm - let's just shift them on and bring people in that are actually going to fight for the shirt.

Tbf, out of everything this is what's pissing me off the most. Players just passing it out of touch or trying to pass through an opponent to our player.

I really don't care what people say about what coach or manager is involved, you don't suddenly forget how to pass a simple 10 yard pass to a team mate because someone on the touchline isn't telling you how to.

That's what leads me onto thinking it's deliberate and something's not right behind the scenes.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

That's clarified it nicely cheers

What's more believable? That we've managed to recruit a squad full of players with no character, and those that showed character last year have somehow lost it? Or that they're lacking direction right now due to the management, and poor results are compounding that?

If it was one, or two, or three players that looked lost that's a personnel issue. When it's all of them it's something else.

Please don't tell me you're seriously trying to argue that the players are turning up and giving 100%.

I just said it in another thread, the coaching might be a genuine issue, but the basic application is lacking. That is attributed to character issues and the players themselves. If you've ever played football you would know this. Instead it seems like you're just coming out with a load of shit.

At the end of the day, thousands of fans are turning up. Even if you hate the coaches and their methods with every fibre in your body, you still try and put up some fight and battle for the supporters. What we're seeing is a pathetic excuse for effort above and beyond anything else.

 

[Evo1883]

In fairness, it was the club who have pushed promotion during the pre season. Then the strange "we'll see where we are" approach at the beginning of the season.

As a fan, I'm quite confused as what to expect this season. I went to Stoke expecting us to win and we lost against a poor team on the day.

The poor performances have continued all season so far, we're not just talking about unlucky results. Even our one "good" performance and league win has been a last minute scrape through against a team favourites to go back down.

I do need to see where the club pushed promotion onto fans


Saying we want promotion is just common sense?

 

[ccfc922]

I do need to see where the club pushed promotion onto fans


Saying we want promotion is just common sense?

Wasn't the whole marketing campaign the players/actors pointing up etc?

I'm ngl, I cba to track back and find it tonight, but everything was based around "Up" on Twitter and the advertising of ST's if I remember rightly?

 

[Grendel]

I do need to see where the club pushed promotion onto fans


Saying we want promotion is just common sense?

Well it wouldn’t if it was Oxford or Derby

Fact is the issue identified last season was lack of squad depth. The club has built a squad of players with good experience at this level and supporters have bought into a vision of upward growth. Promotion is hard to achieve but most supporters went into the season believing we’d at least be I. The play off hunt for all of it

 

[Evo1883]

Well it wouldn’t if it was Oxford or Derby

Fact is the issue identified last season was lack of squad depth. The club has built a squad of players with good experience at this level and supporters have bought into a vision of upward growth. Promotion is hard to achieve but most supporters went into the season believing we’d at least be I. The play off hunt for all of it

Sure , but the club never promised fans promotion

 

[nicksar]

I do need to see where the club pushed promotion onto fans


Saying we want promotion is just common sense?

Mark Robins insists Coventry City will 'go for it' this season

Coventry City news from CoventryLive as Sky Blues boss Mark Robins sends out a rallying cry ahead of the new 24/25 Championship campaign

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Mark Robins in early August.

 

[skybluecam]

Please don't tell me you're seriously trying to argue that the players are turning up and giving 100%.

I just said it in another thread, the coaching might be a genuine issue, but the basic application is lacking. That is attributed to character issues and the players themselves. If you've ever played football you would know this. Instead it seems like you're just coming out with a load of shit.

At the end of the day, thousands of fans are turning up. Even if you hate the coaches and their methods with every fibre in your body, you still try and put up some fight and battle for the supporters. What we're seeing is a pathetic excuse for effort above and beyond anything else.

fucking lol, the most lazy argument ever

I don't think any of them aren't trying - that wouldn't even make logical sense so early in to the season. They're lacking motivation.

Thinking that our issues are down to effort levels is the most basic, shallow level of understanding of the game.

 

[Evo1883]

Mark Robins insists Coventry City will 'go for it' this season

Coventry City news from CoventryLive as Sky Blues boss Mark Robins sends out a rallying cry ahead of the new 24/25 Championship campaign

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Mark Robins in early August.

If the manager never said and I quote " let's go for it " you'd be a bit disappointed.

The fact fans keep pulling on this as some sort of promise is fucking weird

 

[Warwickhunt]

That's clarified it nicely cheers

What's more believable? That we've managed to recruit a squad full of players with no character, and those that showed character last year have somehow lost it? Or that they're lacking direction right now due to the management, and poor results are compounding that?

If it was one, or two, or three players that looked lost that's a personnel issue. When it's all of them it's something else.

if thats the case then the players are not sold on the overall plan and that would explain indifference and lack of desire,

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

fucking lol, the most lazy argument ever

I don't think any of them aren't trying - that wouldn't even make logical sense so early in to the season. They're lacking motivation.

Thinking that our issues are down to effort levels is the most basic, shallow level of understanding of the game.

They're lacking motivation but they're still trying hard? I know you haven't been reading what I've written properly, but it doesn't look as if you've been reading your own posts either.

It's clear they're not giving 100% at the moment, so 'fucking lol' you would even try to argue that. The methods of the tea lady or the sleep coach are completely irrelevant to such a basic requirement, and whilst there might be problems over there as well, individual drive and application should rise above it.

You're demonstrating very well that you don't understand the fundamental mentality dynamics involved in playing football, so it's probably best we leave it here.

 

[nicksar]

The fact fans keep pulling on this as some sort of promise is fucking weird

Personally I never saw his comments as a promise but equally I never expected to watch players who are clearly not trying...that is fucking weird.
Something is very wrong at the present time.

 

[skybluecam]

They're lacking motivation but they're still trying hard? I know you haven't been reading what I've written properly, but it doesn't look as if you've been reading your own posts either.

It's clear they're not giving 100% at the moment, so 'fucking lol' you would even try to argue that. The methods of the tea lady or the sleep coach are completely irrelevant to such a basic requirement, and whilst there might be problems over there as well, individual drive and application should rise above it.

You're demonstrating very well that you don't understand the fundamental mentality dynamics involved in playing football, so it's probably best we leave it here.

What "basic application" are we lacking according to you then? Running around? Tackling hard?

The fact is at this level you can't make up for a lack of a cohesive, effective team gameplan with hard work and elbow grease. If you try to run around and press like a headless chicken teams will tear you apart.

Players being unsure of their roles and lacking belief in our tactics will appear to the untrained eye like they are "not trying" because they're not in the right positions and we're open at the back.

Personally I just think it's a lazy opinion to hold that the players aren't trying. Why would any of them do that? We're not at the world class level where you can down tools, sit out a lengthy period and still be picked up by an elite team. If anyone at the club spent a year rotting on the bench of an underperforming championship club they'd probably find themselves in league one.

I think we're largely just lacking belief, direction, motivation, whatever you want to call it right now. But this idea that the majority of the squad need tossing is complete nonsense.

 

[clint van damme]

Mark Robins insists Coventry City will 'go for it' this season

Coventry City news from CoventryLive as Sky Blues boss Mark Robins sends out a rallying cry ahead of the new 24/25 Championship campaign

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Mark Robins in early August.

I bet you can find a quote like that from at least 15 other managers in this league.
And why wouldn't you think like that when Luton and Ipswich gave got out of this league in the last 2 seasons, but theres still only 3 teams going to achieve it, and realistically 2 of them will be in receipt of parachute payments.

 

[napolimp]

Forum full of opinions being passed off as "facts". No one on here knows what's going on.

 

[nicksar]

I bet you can find a quote like that from at least 15 other managers in this league.
And why wouldn't you think like that when Luton and Ipswich gave got out of this league in the last 2 seasons, but theres still only 3 teams going to achieve it, and realistically 2 of them will be in receipt of parachute payments.

I never saw it as promise Clint,just found and shared the article, you're probably right plenty of other managers may have said similar.
Actually Mark Robins backtracked fairly quickly in lowering the expectations of the fanbase after (off the top of my head three games)....which was the correct thing for him to do to be honest.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

If you keep on posting putting a capital letter at the start of every single word then I’m going to be calling The Samaritans

Yeah And I'm going to Join You If People Start a Sentence With a Lower Case Letter, After a Full Stop and When Typing Someone's Surname or a Name of a City.

It's Just Bad English.

 

[clint van damme]

I never saw it as promise Clint,just found and shared the article, you're probably right plenty of other managers may have said similar.
Actually Mark Robins backtracked fairly quickly in lowering the expectations of the fanbase after (off the top of my head three games)....which was the correct thing for him to do to be honest.

For me, been in the play off shake up post Easter is what I consider to be a successful season.
Some people may say that's setting the bar low, but I think it's realistic and if we can do it consistently eventually we'll prevail in the play offs

 

[joemercersaces]

Whether it's Robins, Doug or the players not stepping up, we need leaders.

I said it weeks back and told those times had gone and we were progressive and playing better football.

Now I think a few more are coming round. It doesn't have to just be Fadz or Doyler type as much as id love one, but we've lost experience in the dressing room in the likes of Kelly and Godden, even O'hare was 5 years in our DNA, maybe none of them are the greatest players but you can't replace overnight what they gave us and that should've been recognised.

When Hansen said you can't win anything with kids and was ridiculed all those years back he was right. Ok we're not United, but they still had some experienced players alongside those talented kids.

If it's not addressed we'll continue like this, Robins will pay the price (and tbh if he does, it's probably deserved). No good Doug having a policy of players to make money off if they can't take you anywhere. When the times are tough leaders are even more important.

At 1 nil down today I knew we were done, I never feel like that and usually think we can come back.

I have never, ever, since 1969 thought when we go a goal up we’ve won. But at the moment when we concede I do think that’s it, game over

 

[nicksar]

For me, been in the play off shake up post Easter is what I consider to be a successful season.
Some people may say that's setting the bar low, but I think it's realistic and if we can do it consistently eventually we'll prevail in the play offs

Being in the play off shake up near the end of the season would be success in my opinion as well and as you say eventually we'd prevail.
Just very concerned at the minute with what may be going on behind the scenes tbh

 

[alexccfc99]

I’ll get laughed at but I still don’t think this is a bad squad of footballers - Stronger than most in the division on paper

Tbh I think we just need 4 points out the next two games and the international break to chill the fuck out!

 

[Legia Sky Blue]

The not trying label doesn't fit with me. There does however seem to be a lack of confidence and belief, which probably hasn't been helped by MR's constant chopping and changing, which leaves a number of players uncertain of their places and role in the team. It probably just requires another win to turn that mindset round and get us moving in the right direction again, which hopefully starts on Tuesday.

 

[Jamesimus]

Yeah And I'm going to Join You If People Start a Sentence With a Lower Case Letter, After a Full Stop and When Typing Someone's Surname or a Name of a City.

It's Just Bad English.

Why are you doing this

 

[Balli001]

MVE has had fuck all support in front of him and for a player in his role that’s critical

Ironically he was the one not supporting the right back at leeds

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

Sure , but the club never promised fans promotion

“I have been clear since taking over in January 2023, that our ambition is to return the Sky Blues to the top-flight."
“I look forward to seeing you all again alongside many others for what we hope will be an epic 2024/25 campaign."
"In my first press conference, I said we need to be in the top half of the table, we need to be in the play-offs three years out of five"

As you said, definitely never "promised" but the wording has always been about being there or there abouts, no two ways about it. If you repeatedly use that wording, football fans are going to run with it. Right or wrong, we all know that to be the case. People ran with a little too far by talk of automatics, I think we're a long way off that. I think to suggest the club haven't pushed promotion hopes is disingenuous to be honest, it's a monster they built.

 

[Evo1883]

“I have been clear since taking over in January 2023, that our ambition is to return the Sky Blues to the top-flight."
“I look forward to seeing you all again alongside many others for what we hope will be an epic 2024/25 campaign."
"In my first press conference, I said we need to be in the top half of the table, we need to be in the play-offs three years out of five"

As you said, definitely never "promised" but the wording has always been about being there or there abouts, no two ways about it. If you repeatedly use that wording, football fans are going to run with it. Right or wrong, we all know that to be the case. People ran with a little too far by talk of automatics, I think we're a long way off that. I think to suggest the club haven't pushed promotion hopes is disingenuous to be honest, it's a monster they built.

A club talking about its ambitions ?

I'm struggling with how fans can't differentiate between wanting and promising personally .

I wouldnt expect this mentality from my 12 year old


The reality is fans went around social media telling everybody we were the team to beat and we were going up , they built their own expectations and told everybody about it too

Also , we are 7 games into the season so talks of failure are also massively premature

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

A club talking about its ambitions ?

I'm struggling with how fans can't differentiate between wanting and promising personally .

I wouldnt expect this mentality from my 12 year old


The reality is fans went around social media telling everybody we were the team to beat and we were going up , they built their own expectations and told everybody about it too

Also , we are 7 games into the season so talks of failure are also massively premature

I agree with most if not all of that, but would (some might argue) put myself towards the more rational side of things. 95% of fans are way more emotive (and childlike) but football clubs know that too, hence why every interview ever is so PR ridden and boring as to not be misquoted on something they didn't mean. No club can ever promise promotion. We have very much led with the line we are expecting to be there or there abouts. There's still 39 games to play and our fans should know from previous seasons a lot can happen. It's a million miles from being over, but if you repeatedly describe us as knocking on the door of the PL, if we're not close to that, people will question it. Instead it's happened way too early.

 

[skybluecam]

A club talking about its ambitions ?

I'm struggling with how fans can't differentiate between wanting and promising personally .

I wouldnt expect this mentality from my 12 year old


The reality is fans went around social media telling everybody we were the team to beat and we were going up , they built their own expectations and told everybody about it too

Also , we are 7 games into the season so talks of failure are also massively premature

You’re arguing semantics tbh.

The expectation internally and externally for the club this season was to compete for promotion. That’s objectively a fact.