skyblueeyesrevisited
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Mogga and Presley before him continually talked about only bringing in players with the right DNA. Sadly they seemed to forget about talent, aggression and now fitness. No wonder we are where we are.
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dongonzalos
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One day we will sign the right manager.
Is it 9 permanent managers in 9 years now, plus quite a few temporary ones on top.
I wish I could produce the stats over how many players have changed over those 9 years as well.
Does make you wonder if it really is possible to make that same mistake every year or so.
Makes me wonder if the problem isn't always the manager as changing the manager and the players just sometimes slows the decline other times speeds it up.
Nether the less overall their is still a gradual painful decline in both the on and off field matters.
Is it 9 permanent managers in 9 years now, plus quite a few temporary ones on top.
I wish I could produce the stats over how many players have changed over those 9 years as well.
Does make you wonder if it really is possible to make that same mistake every year or so.
Makes me wonder if the problem isn't always the manager as changing the manager and the players just sometimes slows the decline other times speeds it up.
Nether the less overall their is still a gradual painful decline in both the on and off field matters.
Grendel
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The manager we have now is the best we have had at he level we are. If he sticks with it for next season he will do as well as anyone.
One thing that will not happen is that players emerge from the pre season unfit to last 90 minutes
Sky Blue Harry H
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I'll settle for that as starters. The difficulty may be attracting players to come if there is ongoing uncertainty as to our future / do we have a 'home' after next season / ongoing negative headlines etc etc. Fingers crossed we can get our act together as a club. Like a few on here I will initially be excited at our new L" campaign, but if it starts badly......
stevefloyd
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Instead of picking random managers why dont the club grow some bollocks and decide on a style of football then recruit the players to fit in to that style and then say to future managers this is how we play rather than keep having managers keep coming in and saying we havent got the players to play a certain way
Liquid Gold
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This club has losing built into its foundations. If I bought the club I'd do an almost complete clear out.
bawtryneal
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Very difficult when you only offer 1 year contracts and sell all the homegrown talent as soon as a good offer appears.
Means starting from scratch every season
Grendel
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I thought they turned offers down in January?
dongonzalos
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I would be gob smacked if that happened. Any manager who has been around as long as he had still getting jobs, would never let players emerge from pre season not fit for the campaign. No chance. Only time that would be suggested would be by some anonymous person on an Internet forum, so don't worry about that.
So that aside we now finally know he isn't some miracle worker and can finally put that one to bed.
So let's not have any false expectations and allow him to become the next scape goat for poor decisions by the people running the club.
dongonzalos
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Grendel when he took over 'our worst squad ever' last time round and was a miracle worker getting a team with Murphy, Baker, Christe, McDonald, Wood, Mcgoldrick
to somehow win games in division 3.
Bloke is an average to ok manager in my book. Who will do well if he is given time and the club is ran properly from the top.
The ran properly from the top bit isn't there at the moment. So we may struggle next season I just want him not to be sacked when that happens.
Liquid Gold
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We were ran just as badly last season and were running away with the league at one point. Leeds are another basket case club and are still doing reasonably well. Shit owners doesn't give managers an excuse to not produce.
ajsccfc
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But what Grendel said happened did happen, Robins turned the team around in a way I don't remember seeing. Unless he said it'd happen immediately now too nobody's really been shown as wrong, and I don't recall seeing anyone predicting a hot streak of wins.
dongonzalos
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He said Robins was a miracle worker.
He isn't it was a good team. He did well with it made it better with half of his signings. He was also smart enough to leg it when he knew DMC was leaving.
He then failed at Huddersfield and Scunthorpe. Then came back here.
He is an average to ok manager not a miracle worker.
He will need a few years here and needs yo be given that time.
No more sacking managers
dongonzalos
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Shit owners more time that not do make managers jobs much harder to perform.
Charlton,Blackburn,Blackpool,Portsmouth, Us , Leeds untill now.
There are also loads of examples where decent owners help managers perform
Liquid Gold
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Yeah I appreciate that. I just can't stand it when we have mangers making completely inept decisions like bringing on a centre back when we're chasing a lead or continuing to pick a goalkeeper who can't kick or catch the ball and people just revert to blaming the owners. For what it's worth we have Robins now and I think we should back him all the way through next season and let him try and make something out of us but we can't let him off the hook if he is making incredibly poor decisions just because our owners are shit.
Grendel
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Do you realise how stupid and pathetic you sound. He exposed what a lazy useless twat thorn was and for they you will always loath him.
Grow up.
dongonzalos
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Oh that was all he did, I thought he was performing miracles?
dongonzalos
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I want him backed for at least three years and his sacking not to be used to hide the ineptitude if the people running the club
ajsccfc
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It showed little sign of being a good team before Robins came in though, and the idea that he lucked out with McGoldrick can be disregarded when you look at that player's career.
dongonzalos
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If DMC started next season in division 3 he would do the same again.
Otis
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Go to another club?
Grendel
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You have no evidence for that it's just another absurd sound byte.
Mcgoldrick was ridiculed by Forest fans who cheered when he left. Robins helped re-ignite his career.
You just make random comments and state as fact. Wood s championship footballer. No he isn't. Murphy probably the best goalkeeper in league 1. Who were the other 23 keepers? Hussey a good league 1 full back. Nope he was crap. Cody McDonald - garbage.
That's why this debate is pointless. It's also why you are on your own with it.
ajsccfc
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It doesn't really work that way. There's a striker often touted on here as a proven League One commodity who didn't bang the goals in for us in League One which suggests it's not an automatic thing. You might have heard of him, Cody something
dongonzalos
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A striker who averaged 17 goals a a season at our level after he left us. Is a striker doing his job no question.
Murphy didn't get his move to the division above because he was crap.
Fleck isn't currently playing for the team top of the table because he is crap.
Wood didn't get his move to the league above because he is crap.
DMC is highly regarded by Ipswich fans as you were clearly contradicted the other day. He has had a a shit run of injuries .....
McGoldrick smashed home his second goal of the season in only his second start of the campaign to grab a point in the dying seconds of last week’s 2-2 home draw with Rotherham United, having been out with an ankle injury sustained in the EFL Cup tie with Stevenage.
The former Nottingham Forest and Southampton man, who also spent time on loan with Saturday’s opponents Sheffield Wednesday earlier in his career, has endured a frustrating time with injuries in the last three seasons with knee, thigh and hamstring problems also having sidelined him.
“He’s one of the best players in the Championship, I think he’s a Premier League player, personally, in terms of his ability, his touch, his awareness, his passing range, his finishing,” McCarthy said.
“And it’s sad actually for all of us, but mainly for him, that he’s not been able to showcase those talents here.
“And if he had I think we would have had people knocking on the door trying to take him. That’ll be the case if he remains fit.”
McCarthy says any side would suffer having a player like McGoldrick, for whom Town turned down a bid of £7 million from Leicester City in the summer of 2014, unavailable for such long spells.
“Most people would miss him,” he said. “But there’s nothing you can do, it’s injuries, those are the challenges.Hussey played at year at our standard for Bury he did well enough to get a move to Sheff Utd.
covcity4life
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dongon i always thought you loved thorn because you were a super glass half full kinda guy.
but you are being very negative to robins.
but you are being very negative to robins.
dongonzalos
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Actually Like Robins, I am just realist that he is not the special manager some believe.
Because it's him and because of what happened last time. People raise the bar a bit about what that expect him to do next year.
Also the fact we will be in division 4.
We have lost a lot of mangers this way. We expected to do well in the championship. We expected to romp division 3. Some will expect us to romp division 4. Especially now we have Robins.
That's not fair we still have our owners and when we are not in the play offs next year. We shouldn't be calling for his head
covcity4life
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i dont think anyone is calling him a special manager, but he did have a 51% win rate with us so we know he can do it. however you are right he didnt do great at huddersfield or scunny but look at them now, i wonder if their fans give robins any credit for recent successes? i dunno
sisu/council are the problem no doubt about it. i know alot of posters like to blame managers alone(and certain managers make bad situations worse like slade did) but its not a great situation for any manager be in.
sisu/council are the problem no doubt about it. i know alot of posters like to blame managers alone(and certain managers make bad situations worse like slade did) but its not a great situation for any manager be in.
Skybluefaz
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He brought in Leon Clarke when he knew Mcgoldrick was leaving. Which was a great move.
Grendel
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Murphy was signed as a reserve team goalkeeper like we did when we signed Dunne. He's played a handful of games in 3 years
Wood was signed by two struggling championship clubs and has been farmed out to a series of league one clubs over the last couple of years
McDonald was tripe. Mcgoldrick was a derided player. At least you seemed to have departed as the one member in Coventry of the Chris Hussey fan club.
Odd how this great team was tripe when robins joined and tripe again as soon as he left.
dongonzalos
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I agree