Nick
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Well yeah, you can say the same about most things. You can get a pizza from Asda for a couple of quid but people buy dominoes etc etc.
So yeah buying things like that is "luxury" really. (I mean the Starbucks, dominos options).
So yeah buying things like that is "luxury" really. (I mean the Starbucks, dominos options).
Tommo1993
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Twisted way way out of proportion. Maybe I’ll just keep to budgeting sensibly and tell those who spend over their necessary means to shut up and keep ruining themselves.
For something so basic and innocuous, this has been an eye opener to how obtuse people can be. The end.
For something so basic and innocuous, this has been an eye opener to how obtuse people can be. The end.
LastGarrison
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‘Oggy Oggy Oggy’!
Throat punch, throat punch, throat punch.
Throat punch, throat punch, throat punch.
ProfessorbyGrace
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Antony has now a special place in my mentally crafted Shit List.
His face is now 1000x more hittable, the useless, prancing, impudent little bastard.
His face is now 1000x more hittable, the useless, prancing, impudent little bastard.
Tommo1993
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Antony has now a special place in my mentally crafted Shit List.
His face is now 1000x more hittable, the useless, prancing, impudent little bastard.
I’m no fighter at all, but I’d like to meet him. He only gets handsy with women though.
ccfc922
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Antony has now a special place in my mentally crafted Shit List.
His face is now 1000x more hittable, the useless, prancing, impudent little bastard.
I am genuinely gutted that out of everything yesterday, Garnachios teeth weren't scattered across Wembleys pitch.
His little bitch feign and celebrating in the penalty area deserved it.
ccfc922
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Antony has now a special place in my mentally crafted Shit List.
His face is now 1000x more hittable, the useless, prancing, impudent little bastard.
Apparently a woman beating rapist too.
ProfessorbyGrace
Well-Known Member
Yep, he would have it as well.
As for Antony, well, you reap what you sow, eventually. Doesn’t detract from the overwhelming desire to pull his head off. What a scumbag.
shmmeee
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If you hadn’t linked it to wages no one would have said a thing. But wages in this country are ridiculously low sooo
Tommo1993
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If you hadn’t linked it to wages no one would have said a thing. But wages in this country are ridiculously low sooo
Hmm. I suppose the best thing to do with your means of living is to knowingly blow more than you can afford when cheaper alternatives are everywhere. Never mind.
Nick
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Surely people should budget or raise themselves up?If you hadn’t linked it to wages no one would have said a thing. But wages in this country are ridiculously low sooo
ProfessorbyGrace
Well-Known Member
Budgeting only gets you so far, in my circumstances, at least - what is structured on paper, has the tendency to slide inexorably into a steady ‘haemorrhaging’ of cash, when nice little extra costs pop up. Then, within a week, the reality of being considerably short dawns.
Raising oneself up, quite frankly, this is entirely subjective to circumstances. Finances, health, environment, support…
If I told you mine, well, haha. I’m amazed that I still have a roof over my head, after the last 18 months.
shmmeee
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What does “raise themselves up” mean? You mean like asking for a pay rise?
shmmeee
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See this is fine. But your OP said you didn’t like people complaining about their wages. They are right to complain about their wages.
Tommo1993
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This got desperate ages ago. You knew exactly what I meant all along and now it’s as if you’re just marking my English.
shmmeee
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Haha I’m really not. Just saying why I got triggered.
Anyway. Yes. People can spend less and should. Also everyone’s poor through no fault of their own and deserves a pay rise.
Wyken Sky Blue
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The high white socks over leggings trend
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Nick
Administrator
I was using your phrase....
shmmeee
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And I mean asking for higher wages
OffenhamSkyBlue
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The problem with everyone asking for higher wages is that it will lead to income-driven inflation (noting that the previous inflation rates of 11% or whatever it was were due to supply costs not demand costs, so raising interest rates and putting everyone in debt was not the way to tackle it) and further and further we go around the vicious circle.
How many companies can survive giving all their employees a pay rise of 2%, 5%, 10% (i don't know what you are suggesting), without either putting up the prices for products and services (see above) or making others redundant?
It's all very laudable that the government has increased the minimum wage by as much as they have in the past couple of years, but that has caused huge problems for small organisations that have to find a way to pay it. Even in the charity sector, you put the minimum wage up by 10%, that forces you to increase everyone else's pay accordingly (or at the very least compress your pay scales). And when the grant income that you receive from the local authority or central government, whoever it might be, is being squeezed and reduced year by year (with certainly no 10% increase to take account of higher wage costs), you have to make people redundant and reduce your level of service provision.
File under "unintended consequences" which have a real impact on real people.
How many companies can survive giving all their employees a pay rise of 2%, 5%, 10% (i don't know what you are suggesting), without either putting up the prices for products and services (see above) or making others redundant?
It's all very laudable that the government has increased the minimum wage by as much as they have in the past couple of years, but that has caused huge problems for small organisations that have to find a way to pay it. Even in the charity sector, you put the minimum wage up by 10%, that forces you to increase everyone else's pay accordingly (or at the very least compress your pay scales). And when the grant income that you receive from the local authority or central government, whoever it might be, is being squeezed and reduced year by year (with certainly no 10% increase to take account of higher wage costs), you have to make people redundant and reduce your level of service provision.
File under "unintended consequences" which have a real impact on real people.
shmmeee
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Sorry, this is absolute nonsense. If you can’t afford to pay a living wage, or not cut your staffs wages you don’t have a viable business. There’s no evidence of wages increasing inflation in any noticeable sense and by your logic the fact that wages have been flat for 15 years should mean we have record low inflation, let me check if that’s true… no no it isn’t.
Studies into NMW rises show even in labour intensive industries the rise in prices is significantly below the wage rise in percentage terms.
This is just FUD put out by business to not pay a proper wage.
This country’s wages are about half of the US yet their inflation is way below ours. They also didndeficit spending to get out of recession, which according to the same people causes inflation. Yet it hasn’t happened. What happened was massive growth compared to EU countries that cut spending.
Nick
Administrator
Is somebody raising themselves up just "asking for higher wages"?
What happened to self improvement, upskilling, training etc? Make it so if your current job won't give you more money, somebody else will gladly do it.
Nick
Administrator
Isn't it a fail?
ccfctommy
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Probably. Everyone had to overtake.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Yeah of course. And in most cases people should leave to get a proper wage. But asking to not have your wages cut (asking for an inflationary rise isn’t asking for more money) is also perfectly fair. If everyone did what you want business would grind to a halt as everyone leaves every year.
Nick
Administrator
It's not about what I want, have to look after myself and provide. Not going to sit about whinging, will do what's within my power to sort it.
As per the post that started this off, I'm not going to moan about being skint and wages etc but go out to buy dominoes/coffees all the time. I'd budget and make my own pizza / coffee as much as I could if that was what I wanted.
If I wanted to be in a position to afford them both all the time, I'd do what I could about it. That's not keeping other people down, that's doing things for myself.
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chiefdave
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Few years ago when there was a bit of a push for an actual living wage before the government hijacked the term and used it for minimum wage Whitbread claimed that if it was brought in they would have no choice but to significantly increase prices. Group of economists ran the numbers and if every employee they had was full time and on minimum wage the increased cost would equate to less than 2% of their profits
People need to scratch the surface and not just accept what they're told by those at the top. They will tell you there's no money for pay rises, or pay rises will cause rampant inflation, while those at the top award themselves huge pay rises way above inflation. We're told increased prices, and therefore inflation, are down to increased costs yet the likes of Tesco, Shell etc announce huge increases in profits
Nick
Administrator
This is my point, like it or not whinging at them and moaning isn't going to change things easily for an individual is it? That's what I mean about people doing what is in their own control.
Yeah it's shit, yeah it's not fair but it isn't going to change anything for people
chiefdave
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its never going to change if when anyone suggests peoples pay shouldn't decrease in real terms the response is get a new job, train for something else, spend less money or something similar
I think as a basic rule of thumb anyone who is in full time employment should be able to afford a half decent standard of living but that's increasingly not the case
Alarm at growing number of working people in UK ‘struggling to make ends meet’
UK debt advice charity warns that cost of living crisis and higher rents are pushing younger full-time workers into difficulties
My Dad left school with a handful of qualifications, got a job at a local firm and stayed in essentially the same position until he retired. Off the back of that he had a far better standard of living than I can afford in a supposedly 'better' job, working much longer hours and so stressed I ended up in hospital for 3 days a couple of weeks ago
Something has gone wrong somewhere and we seem to not just passively accept it but cristise anyone who suggests things could / should be different
Nick
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its never going to change if when anyone suggests peoples pay shouldn't decrease in real terms the response is get a new job, train for something else, spend less money or something similar
I think as a basic rule of thumb anyone who is in full time employment should be able to afford a half decent standard of living but that's increasingly not the case
When did we move away from getting a job, being good at the job, working your hours and not really bothering about training yourself in your own time or getting a promotion being a bad thing?Alarm at growing number of working people in UK ‘struggling to make ends meet’
UK debt advice charity warns that cost of living crisis and higher rents are pushing younger full-time workers into difficultieswww.theguardian.com
My Dad left school with a handful of qualifications, got a job at a local firm and stayed in essentially the same position until he retired. Off the back of that he had a far better standard of living than I can afford in a supposedly 'better' job, working much longer hours and so stressed I ended up in hospital for 3 days a couple of weeks ago
Something has gone wrong somewhere and we seem to not just passively accept it but cristise anyone who suggests things could / should be different
It isn't passively accepting it, it's saying do something about it, surely? I'm not saying it's fair, I'm just saying that people can take things into their control and do something about it.
Again, the original post was about people going out to get dominoes / fancy coffees which cost a fair bit for what they are. When I'm struggling that's the first sort of thing that gets cut out. Same with alcohol, cutting that out saves an absolute fortune. Of course I'm not saying that people buying coffee everyday is the reason they can't afford to buy a house, let's not pretend that it doesn't all add up though.
I of course get that not everybody who is struggling does splash out on stuff like that and just want to be able to survive. I agree on that.
TBF that's even inflationary ATM by what 50%?,but then we've had a PM recently telling us to do the opposite?
shmmeee
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And if you were working in an industry where you can’t do any of these things? Public sector for example. What you suggest is what people like me did: move industry. And that leads to my daughter not getting taught a national curriculum subject because there’s no teachers. Or you having a waiting list wait cos there’s no doctors or whatever.
You’re making the Labour centre left argument of “high tech jobs and training” but someone’s still got to do the job you leave. It doesn’t solve the problem, just moves it to someone else.
People are right to be annoyed at wages in this country. They’re universally shit. No matter how much personal development you do. You’ll just be moving to being underpaid in a different role.
Really don’t get this absolute cuckold behaviour.