SISU won't build a new stadium, it was always just more spin and lies from them !
The Wasps marketing people might at least improve the stadium and the matchday experience in many ways.
It will never feel that great until we have a competitive enough team to attract above 15,000 per game. This will never happen under SISU either, as soon as a player is showing enough promise to turn a profit he'll be sold.
There are only two ways CCFC can get out of this downward spiral:
A manager who can miraculously get a decent team together on a shoestring and hold them together for at least one successful season to gain promotion or we get new wealthy and ambitious owners. Sadly I think for any real improvement at the club, the same morons who have been tearing it all apart piece by piece have to depart and not liquidate before they do !
You are not addressing the question other than the usual "they won't build" sound bite.
Why do you think they won't Ashdown based on facts not supposition and theory. Ther are many ways to skin a cat and equally to finance a stadium. Is it plausible?
It all revolves around this 365 days a year revenue.
I just don't get it. Apart from 20 odd home games and everything involved with that, maybe a stadium sponsorship deal...what revenue will ccfc get from the other 345 days? I don't for one minute believe Sisu and their investors have the cash to build a stadium like the Ricoh with conference venues, hotel, casinos etc. getting planning permisson is another thing.
So seriously...what is this all year round revenue the club would would earn from a small 15k stadium?
Big issue is that I don't think any outside investors would trust working with Sisu to even build a stadium.
Sisu are in a right dilemma and I think is fans should really demand some answers now.
If it's that simple, why not make the development without the stadium?
I suspect Pax that you too know that a new stadium will not work. There is really no need for any figures. Any new stadium will be in direct competition with the Ricoh and the NEC for "all year round", business. Tell me who you think would win in that situation.
I agree entirely. Some say they would take more land than they need, build shops, Offices, or houses and sell off or rent the development. If it's that simple, why not make the development without the stadium? Stadium takes up development land and is only used 20 odd times a year. I don't see the point of the new small stadium without all the facilities of the Ricoh and not even in Coventry.
AND the way in which they do that is?......offer CCFC a good rent and possibly some matchday revenue?Depends what business you go for.
Naive to assume there's a finite level of a set type. If there was, the Ricoh would lose out to the NEC for everything...
It would however probably be in the interests of ACL's new owners to attempt to restrict competition if possible.
You are not addressing the question other than the usual "they won't build" sound bite.
Why do you think they won't Ashdown based on facts not supposition and theory. Ther are many ways to skin a cat and equally to finance a stadium. Is it plausible?
Of course usually leisure facilities are used as the battering rams for planning consent that otherwise wouldn't happen, meaning the profit on the initial land purchase can be greater as a result because land that would otherwise have limited value, suddenly gains a value.
AND the way in which they do that is?......offer CCFC a good rent and possibly some matchday revenue?
Noggin I don't disagree. My OP though was about plausibility. If you say there are figures showing it won't work then post them or a link and lets see what they are and who exactly drew up these numbers and if they had any idea of what was to be built and if they had inside knowledge of SISU's approaches to investors?
Not too sure about the possibilities you mention but am glad to see somebody thinking "outside the box", for once.I don't think Sisu have the financial clout to get something like this up and running.
But lets just say if they have the money, and the will is there, I still don't see where they could put it.
For a development on the scale that they were talking about (60 acres was it?), there simply isn't the land available inside the city.
Building it just outside the city is going to be an automatic no no because of the greenbelt.
As I posted the other day, if its conference facilities and exhibitions that sisu want to make money on, why not just build an exhibition centre somewhere? Doesn't even have to be in the Midlands, it could be anywhere. It could also be built at a fraction of the cost of a football ground.
It makes no sense to build a new ground on the basis of non matchday revenues. Why build a football ground when your emphasis is on non matchday revenues?
What I would like to see happen is for that fat arse of a chairman to actually earn his wage for once by using his imagination. For a bunch of capitalists they have very little vision.
They should try and negotiate a long term rental agreement with Wasps, that allows the club to get all matchday revenues it generates.
They should then look at ways to generate income away from the stadium. Build an exhibition centre somewhere, recreate something like the connexions, why not open a Sky Blues sports bar in town?
The possibilities are endless to generate additional income, but they have such narrow vision they cannot see it.
More than anything else, I think SISU want to get out as much as we want them to depart, they're not going to take a huge gamble building a new stadium and hope it's already disenfranchised fanbase will blindly follow. Most people in Coventry hate and distrust SISU, we don't want them here. 20 years ago we could have hoped for a new owner to roll up I suppose and give it a punt but even that is a long shot now, especially since Wasps grabbed the Ricoh for a song !
Not too sure about the possibilities you mention but am glad to see somebody thinking "outside the box", for once.
One of the reasons I couldn't see a new stadium built is that it'd mean a new one was sat unused nearby. Having a second stadium seems less ridiculous as a concept now there's top flight sport at the Ricoh either way, but still, nah.
Anyway, this is how the numbers stack up:
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/51148-A-Possible-Ground-Solution
even if villa wanted to be part of that bizarre idea it would be far worse for Coventry City than just paying rent to acl.
Nah, just business.
You need to be burned at the stake for that suggestionAnyway, this is how the numbers stack up:
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/51148-A-Possible-Ground-Solution
I assumed the thread was a joke, but it would be far worse for ccfc because they would no longer have the ability to profit from selling the kids which seems to be the only way they could actually ever make money and 10k seats isn't enough even for league one, they are better paying rent for a proper venue.
Depends what business you go for.
Naive to assume there's a finite level of a set type. If there was, the Ricoh would lose out to the NEC for everything...
It would however probably be in the interests of ACL's new owners to attempt to restrict competition if possible.
We took the kids to the NEC earlier this year for the pet show. It was only 1 hall and one of the smaller ones. The only reason I could see it was on at the NEC was because it has a railway. Thats about to change so I would imagine that the Ricoh will start drawing the eye of some of these smaller one hall shows and exhibitions. You wont be able to say the same about SISU towers
Nah, it'd be good for the city, and potentially good for the club too.
I can't help but notice your definition of 'nobody has showed a way forward that works' equates to you being closed minded, sticking your fingers in your ears, and refusing to listen to anything unless it tallies with your world view...
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