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[italiahorse]

Whenever people post things you don't like, they're on the windup.

Then you come on threads and say nobody ever comes up with alternative scenarios:facepalm:

Are you *sure* you haven't been a CCFC board member at some point?

I don't mind people posting things I don't like but surely they need to be backed up with some facts?

 

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[bigfatronssba]

But the Council/ACL decided in their wisdom to do a deal for the 250 year lease behind SISU's and therefore the communities football club with an out of town Rugby club, not to mention the community already had a Rugby club as well.
SISU were not offered first bite of that cherry or even given a clue a 250 year lease was available for peanuts were they?

There may be bad blood with SISU but for the council to offer such a lease at such a price to some one other than the football club was bizarre and wrong on every level.

Tell me if that deal was offered to SISU's Joy do you believe she would have said no? I hate bloody SISU but for the council to do this was short sighted. The football clubs owners will change hands at some point. They even could have had a clause to ensure the stadium remained within CCFC while at the same time allowing SISU an assignable lease with value in order for them to make good on their disastrous tenure and leave. Council nit wits are clueless!

Did the council offer that though, or did Wasps request it?

Much of my criticism of Sisu over the last 2 years has been their lacklustre approach to negotiations. All of their sound bites and press releases but an angle on it that it was up to the council to put together the deal they wanted, that it was up to the council to do all the work. Correct me if I'm wrong but Sisu changed what they wanted every month.

The deal should have been for sisu to put together what they wanted and then approach the council. Not the other way round.

Basically instead they decided to piss about playing games, and we are the ones now paying for that.

 

[RFC]

Why would AEG be interested in a stadium bowl - with no exhibition, hotel, etc. facilities - outside a medium sized English city, most likely without a direct rail link? The only announcement that I see coming is: we have done a deal with Wasps which is in the best interests of CCFC - and dropped the stadium. Thank you for all your support.

You've hit upon the potential answer in your reply.

After all the grief our temporary move to Northampton brought myself and others I'm astounded that anyone on here would even contemplate a long term partnership with a sports franchise who are relocating 82 miles from their true home. HELP!

 

[bigfatronssba]

And turning around, would you trust SISU to be capable of negotiating a long term deal that worked for us at the Ricoh?

The previous lot didn't manage it, and look how that turned out...

I'd rather any future (sane!) owner or (sane!) revivalist club had the flexibility to make the best choice, rather than be tied into something that handicaps them from the start. That means being open-minded to the idea of a new ground, as it could well be the best way forward post-SISU (surely extra leisure facilities in Coventry is a good thing! Why wouldn't we be happy to push for that?)

Otherwise, we'd best start hoping we become Villa's feeder club...

I wouldn't have a massive amount of faith in them with that either. But less damage can be done with a rental deal in the sort term.

 

[bigfatronssba]

You've hit upon the potential answer in your reply.

After all the grief our temporary move to Northampton brought myself and others I'm astounded that anyone on here would even contemplate a long term partnership with a sports franchise who are relocating 82 miles from their true home. HELP!

THEY HAVENT RELOCATED FROM THEIR TRUE HOME.

LONDON Wasps true home is LONDON. Not Wycombe. They were called LONDON Wasps because LONDON is there true home. Get it? HELP!

 

[Bill Glazier]

Go into partnership with the University of Warwick however, much as Bristol Rovers have done with UWE, and it becomes feasible.

Interesting discussion. I can't see Warwick University going anywhere near SISU.

 

[RFC]

THEY HAVENT RELOCATED FROM THEIR TRUE HOME.

LONDON Wasps true home is LONDON. Not Wycombe. They were called LONDON Wasps because LONDON is there true home. Get it? HELP!

So they've heaped grief on even more grief and your suggesting it should be supported by us becoming their long-term tenants?
No chance as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I wouldn't have a massive amount of faith in them with that either. But less damage can be done with a rental deal in the sort term.

Short term being key, however.

And it's worth remembering that at this point we, the fans, effectively lobbied the council to getting behind the Ricoh project, as much because the club fed the line that it was build it or the club dies.

Not true.

We still had the option to buy back Highfield Road (that we later took up) and there were other options open too. The club *chose* to position the Ricoh as sole choice (with council involvement let's not forget - it suited the club then to have a council led funding package), not because it was in the club's best interests, but because it was in the interests of the board at the time.

Ditto now. It would be very dangerous to say the club *must* rent the Ricoh long term (much, incidentally, as it would have been very dangerous to get behind an 'unencumbered freehold or nothing' line for the Ricoh).

However, the way it's being positioned, I can't help but feel the lobby is to tie the football club into unhealthy deals that keep them second class citizens in their own city, to a cuckold. I'd rather explore the other options rather than just dismiss them and yes, I have zero faith in SISU to deliver them.

Just because I have no faith in that however, doesn't automatically mean they're without merit, or the numbers can't stack up. Bristol Rovers may see their ground delayed and delayed (why a longer short-term deal at the Ricoh needed, incidentally) but it will be delivered because it's in a number of parties' interests to do so.

The Villa feeder idea would, of course, be the best cost neutral idea. The fact it meets with horror shows why we shouldn't necessarily tie ourselves in with other clubs, because it's about more than the financials, isn't it.

 

[bigfatronssba]

So they've heaped grief on even more grief and your suggesting it should be supported by us becoming their long-term tenants?
No chance as far as I'm concerned.

Your right. Much better to plunge our own club into debts of millions just to spite the Wasps.

Spite is obviously the best, most sensible way to run a business isn't it?

 

[RFC]

Your right. Much better to plunge our own club into debts of millions just to spite the Wasps.

Spite is obviously the best, most sensible way to run a business isn't it?

A move has been on the table way before WASPS came onto the scene but I'm sure you knew or were aware of that.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Short term being key, however.

And it's worth remembering that at this point we, the fans, effectively lobbied the council to getting behind the Ricoh project, as much because the club fed the line that it was build it or the club dies.

Not true.

We still had the option to buy back Highfield Road (that we later took up) and there were other options open too. The club *chose* to position the Ricoh as sole choice (with council involvement let's not forget - it suited the club then to have a council led funding package), not because it was in the club's best interests, but because it was in the interests of the board at the time.

Ditto now. It would be very dangerous to say the club *must* rent the Ricoh long term (much, incidentally, as it would have been very dangerous to get behind an 'unencumbered freehold or nothing' line for the Ricoh).

However, the way it's being positioned, I can't help but feel the lobby is to tie the football club into unhealthy deals that keep them second class citizens in their own city, to a cuckold. I'd rather explore the other options rather than just dismiss them and yes, I have zero faith in SISU to deliver them.

Just because I have no faith in that however, doesn't automatically mean they're without merit, or the numbers can't stack up. Bristol Rovers may see their ground delayed and delayed (why a longer short-term deal at the Ricoh needed, incidentally) but it will be delivered because it's in a number of parties' interests to do so.

The Villa feeder idea would, of course, be the best cost neutral idea. The fact it meets with horror shows why we shouldn't necessarily tie ourselves in with other clubs, because it's about more than the financials, isn't it.

I've no objection at looking at all options, but that surely has to include a long term rental deal as well doesn't it?

This is a real crisis now. But foolish pride prevents the club from admitting it. If they did admit it, they could set up some kind of working group, involving the fans, to look at all possibilities for the future.

 

[Jack Griffin]

It all revolves around this 365 days a year revenue.

I doesn't, it revolves around getting a stadium as an asset for free in a land development deal.

Expandable, my arse, it won't be SISU paying for expansion, they'll have flipped it leaving CCFC in a home fit only for a 3rd division club & someone else to pick up the tab.

365 days a year revenue is a bit of a smokescreen & nothing that could not be negotiated with a landlord.

PS forget Tesco & other supermarkets, haven't you seen the news, the big supermarket chains are into grabbing LIDL & ALDI sized sites, not Hyper markets anymore, that market is saturated.

You are not addressing the question other than the usual "they won't build" sound bite.
Why do you think they won't Ashdown based on facts not supposition and theory. Ther are many ways to skin a cat and equally to finance a stadium. Is it plausible?

Here I agree with you, but see my comment above, this won't be about what is best for CCFC but what is best for ARVO/SISU to do a bunk and mitigate their losses. I think a major science & tech park or residential (next to HS2) are the most likely scenarios.

 

[bigfatronssba]

A move has been on the table way before WASPS came onto the scene but I'm sure you knew or were aware of that.

No it hasn't. Fisher has given out some guff about a new ground and a few generic drawings.

You would have to have a screw loose to believe anything Fisher says.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I've no objection at looking at all options, but that surely has to include a long term rental deal as well doesn't it?

This is a real crisis now. But foolish pride prevents the club from admitting it. If they did admit it, they could set up some kind of working group, involving the fans, to look at all possibilities for the future.

It does.

It'd be dangerous to tie ourselves into that or nothing though, wouldn't it.

Especially with the current lot at the helm.

What happens when they leave!

 

[bigfatronssba]

It does.

It'd be dangerous to tie ourselves into that or nothing though, wouldn't it.

Especially with the current lot at the helm.

What happens when they leave!

Oh yeah I agree completely. It would be foolish to tie ourselves down to anything at this stage.

 

[dongonzalos]

A move has been on the table way before WASPS came onto the scene but I'm sure you knew or were aware of that.

It certainly was and is one of the reasons we lost out to wasps. Using a move a threat.
Very frustrating.

 

[dongonzalos]

You've hit upon the potential answer in your reply.

After all the grief our temporary move to Northampton brought myself and others I'm astounded that anyone on here would even contemplate a long term partnership with a sports franchise who are relocating 82 miles from their true home. HELP!

Because other than a long term rent deal their seems no other viable solution

 

[Tonylinc]

Look chaps Wasps are the newbys in town and as such will want to do everything by the book and influence the citizens of Coventry in order to gain their support. That being the case then Shitzu need to do a long term NOW. It may be that they are able to gain some match day income BUT they need to it NOW

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Oh yeah I agree completely. It would be foolish to tie ourselves down to anything at this stage.

Glad we agree.

Rushing from panic to panic doesn't get us far really, does it.

Along with rushing from whatever's flavour of the month to the next, either.

Perhaps we should lobby the council to build us a ground...

 

[Jack Griffin]

You talking to me?

 

[RFC]

No it hasn't. Fisher has given out some guff about a new ground and a few generic drawings.

You would have to have a screw loose to believe anything Fisher says.

Please try and keep up, Stadium Forum Chaired by Sandra Garlick have been meeting regularly for more than 12 months, surprised you haven't read the minutes of their meetings?

How do you know who I talk to but assume it's Tim Fisher?

I'm still laughing

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Please try and keep up, Stadium Forum Chaired by Sandra Garlick have been meeting regularly for more than 12 months, surprised you haven't read the minutes of their meetings?

tbf, they have concluded the pies should be locally sourced.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Please try and keep up, Stadium Forum Chaired by Sandra Garlick have been meeting regularly for more than 12 months, surprised you haven't read the minutes of their meetings?

How do you know who I talk to but assume it's Tim Fisher?

I'm still laughing 

Haha is that awful woman still around? I expected her to have disappeared up her own bottom by now.

A stadium forum that isn't allowed to know any of the details of the stadium. Their meetings must be very productive.

 

[Tonylinc]

And that her business has grown 10 fold since being lettig it know that she is a Cov. City fan?????/

 

[RFC]

It certainly was and is one of the reasons we lost out to wasps. Using a move a threat.
Very frustrating.

The reasons we lost out to WASPS were .......
the possibility of a further 10pt deduction were WASPS to default on the £14 million debt they've taken on, plus the fact that our owners may also have been liable for 50% of that debt amongst other things.

Then again as you quite rightly point out, I know nothing LOL!

 

[jas365]

Will it be built? I don't know but believe it will, still plenty of activity behind the scenes and a few high profile people beavering away.

Is it feasible? Most definitely yes, as I'd anticipate AEG being involved to manage & maximise revenue streams.

The Ricoh has never been home we have only ever been and would continue to be tenants and the match day experience is only going to get worse, especially when the rugby starts.

As for the pitch it currently has to be one of the worst in the football league (not that it would bother either CCC or ACL) and one things for sure, it's only going to get worse!

I think an announcement regarding land might just be closer than many think, fingers crossed PUSB!

Do you not tire of writing this bollocks?

 

[Tonylinc]

The reasons we lost out to WASPS were .......
the possibility of a further 10pt deduction were WASPS to default on the £14 million debt they've taken on, plus the fact that our owners may also have been liable for 50% of that debt amongst other things.

Then again as you quite rightly point out, I know nothing LOL!

What a load of crap!!!! The reason we lost out to Wasps is simple. Shitzu are shit!!!!!

 

[RFC]

Haha is that awful woman still around? I expected her to have disappeared up her own bottom by now.

A stadium forum that isn't allowed to know any of the details of the stadium. Their meetings must be very productive.

Very interesting, you are making an awful lot of assumptions and just I case you're unaware she's a solicitor that specialises in employment & social media law.

So if I were you I'd be very, very careful what you say as I'm aware she reads this forum.

Who needs help now?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

as I'm aware she reads this forum.

In which case, it would be nice if she explained what her rationale behind getting involved was, and what she felt said group had achieved by now...

I for one would welcome hearing that.

 

[RFC]

Do you not tire of writing this bollocks?

That's your opinion but not mine, however I do not abuse you. Have a great evening and a terrific week. PUSB!

 

[bigfatronssba]

Very interesting, you are making an awful lot of assumptions and just I case you're unaware she's a solicitor that specialises in employment & social media law.

So if I were you I'd be very, very careful what you say as I'm aware she reads this forum.

Who needs help now?

What on earth are you on about now? I couldn't give a monkeys toss if she is the Sultan of Brunei's 7th wife, she is still an awful woman.

Your the one that spent half the morning posting libellous comments about the council, so if anyone needs to watch their step its you.

 

[stupot07]

Look chaps Wasps are the newbys in town and as such will want to do everything by the book and influence the citizens of Coventry in order to gain their support. That being the case then Shitzu need to do a long term NOW. It may be that they are able to gain some match day income BUT they need to it NOW

What of they can't gain some matchday income? Long term rent with no/little revenue? No breakout clause? Who's to say wasps will be receptive? There's another 3 1/2 years in the current deal, the wasps will be even more in a position of strength.


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[RFC]

In which case, it would be nice if she explained what her rationale behind getting involved was, and what she felt said group had achieved by now...

I for one would welcome hearing that.

I'm sure she'll inform you (and me) when she's good and ready and the i's are dotted and the t's crossed.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm sure she'll inform you (and me) when she's good and ready and the i's are dotted and the t's crossed.

Why does she need is dotted and ts crossed to offer an insight into the point of the group, why she got involved, and what it has achieved so far?

 

[bigfatronssba]

Why does she need is dotted and ts crossed to offer an insight into the point of the group, why she got involved, and what it has achieved so far?

Basically he means stop asking awkward questions and don't interfere with her ability to promote herself.