Thursday 4th May (2 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

But that just goes to show that the entire premise economics is built on is totally unfeasible. Population cannot grow in perpetuity. There isn't the space or resources for that, and the more populations grow the more likely fights over territory. In fact, pretty much any problem we have you can link almost directly to population growth.

Vote growth, vote war.

We need a complete rethink and focus on more equal distribution of resources and maintaining a sustainable population level.

Of course it can. And we’ve had massive population growth in the last hundred years and some of the most peaceful times…

 

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[Greggs]

Just back, voted Tory. Roll on the generals and let's all get behind Rishi Rich.

 

[skyblu3sk]

Well I haven't voted for anyone as none of them put any information out about what they stood for... not sure you can have democracy without that.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Well I haven't voted for anyone as none of them put any information out about what they stood for... not sure you can have democracy without that.

I found a Labour leaflet, so it saved me from the same fate!

 

[skyblu3sk]

I found a Labour leaflet, so it saved me from the same fate!

Fucking useless, honestly I should be struggling to ignore it not struggling to find anything. I asked Solihull Council and they sent me to a website with a list of names... brilliant

 

[shmmeee]

Didn’t vote. First time in ages. Didn’t have the car and couldn’t be arsed to walk.

 

[mmttww]

Of course it can. And we’ve had massive population growth in the last hundred years and some of the most peaceful times…

Eh? 100 years? Serious post?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Of course it can. And we’ve had massive population growth in the last hundred years and some of the most peaceful times…

It really can't. If you keep trying to put more and more into the same sized space with the same amount (or fewer) resources, shit is going to go down. It's more a load of people banking on it not happening while they're around. It's a bubble and it will eventually burst.

 

[LastGarrison]

Well I haven't voted for anyone as none of them put any information out about what they stood for... not sure you can have democracy without that.

I was Googling the candidates in my area yesterday and it was only the Green candidate who I could find who has put out any information (and there wasn’t a lot) and absolutely nothing from any of the others.

Then last night a car came down my close with a Vote Labour flyer in both the back side window and the back window so I thought fair play, better late than never, the guy then got out, knocked my neighbours door, handed him his takeaway and drove off again!!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Didn’t vote. Couldn’t find my passport and wasn’t going to waste time looking

 

[fernandopartridge]

I voted at half 9, looking at the list the turnout round this way is well sub 30%. I know the turnout generally low for local elections but doesn't feel like a particularly encouraging bellwether for Labour.

 

[JAM See]

I took my season card as ID.

Got turned away as it was a JSB one (I'm 56).

 

[shmmeee]

It really can't. If you keep trying to put more and more into the same sized space with the same amount (or fewer) resources, shit is going to go down. It's more a load of people banking on it not happening while they're around. It's a bubble and it will eventually burst.

You’re assuming we’re hitting some kind of space or resource limit. I’m not sure that’s true.

 

[shmmeee]

Didn’t vote. Couldn’t find my passport and wasn’t going to waste time looking

Really we should have gone and got ourselves recorded as no ID so at least some good would come from it.

 

[Evo1883]

Labour held coventty

 

[shmmeee]

Tories losing seats nationally, any loss at all is pretty bad considering the corresponding local election results were already some of their worst.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Not sure it's a brilliant night for Labour, just middling really. Abysmal turnout and gained control of 2 councils Stoke on Trent and Plymouth. The first of those has been generally under Labour control forever, the second it held control over until erm 2021. It has gained Medway but made no other material gains as yet.

The voter apathy is not a good sign for the next election especially given most people are feeling worse off.

 

[shmmeee]

Not sure it's a brilliant night for Labour, just middling really. Abysmal turnout and gained control of 2 councils Stoke on Trent and Plymouth. The first of those has been generally under Labour control forever, the second it held control over until erm 2021. It has gained Medway but made no other material gains as yet.

The voter apathy is not a good sign for the next election especially given most people are feeling worse off.

Well see how it comes out but there were never going to be huge gains in the thousands after the corresponding election cycle.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Didn’t want to vote but did in the end about 9:45!

 

[Ashdown]

These are the problems with basing your economy around the demands created by population growth.

House building and mortgage lending are great for the economy short term.

Labour pressed their cheat button by encouraging EU 20 odd year old migrants. No problem with that: educated at a different country expense and then human resource at a stage in life to create economic growth. (Although actually immoral in a way) That leads to house building and mortgage lending to house more and more people.

There’s a big train wreck coming:

Brexit, rightly or wrongly, has led to a decrease in EU 20 odd year old migrants. Hence worker shortages in things like hospitality and harvesting. Hence increases in wage and costs passed on as part of inflation.

Next, demand for new housing will decrease (not yet, but soon) as less 20 odd year olds coming in and a sub RL birth rate means less people turning 25 year on year - less demand for houses.

Less demand for houses - prices fall - negative equity at high int rates - perfect storm.

Laugh at this now - see later on.

At some point governments have to work out how to function economies without relying on population growth and consumerism . Building on everything for humanity is killing everything else and quality of life for most anyway.

 

[shmmeee]

At some point governments have to work out how to function economies without relying on population growth and consumerism . Building on everything for humanity is killing everything else and quality of life for most anyway.

Good luck telling people their living standards are going to drop because you don’t like foreigners.

 

[skyblu3sk]

Not sure it's a brilliant night for Labour, just middling really. Abysmal turnout and gained control of 2 councils Stoke on Trent and Plymouth. The first of those has been generally under Labour control forever, the second it held control over until erm 2021. It has gained Medway but made no other material gains as yet.

The voter apathy is not a good sign for the next election especially given most people are feeling worse off.

I think the apathy for a lot of people comes from the apathy of the campaigns. No information. When the general election comes round at least you normally get some promises for something tangible.

 

[shmmeee]

I think the apathy for a lot of people comes from the apathy of the campaigns. No information. When the general election comes round at least you normally get some promises for something tangible.

Well Labour tried to make promises and got slapped down by Twitter Community Notes because all the promises aren’t things local government does.

 

[shmmeee]

Interesting point

 

[The Philosopher]

The thing that will hinder Labour going forward is that the left is split Green/Labour/Lib where as the right has largely been united as a Bluekip.

Not getting into the rights and wrongs but that’s the main reason Boris won last time.

Bad LE results for the Tories and mildly surprised that the Libs (who usually do well at locals) haven’t mopped up more.

 

[Ashdown]

Good luck telling people their living standards are going to drop because you don’t like foreigners.

Who said anything about foreigners ?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The thing that will hinder Labour going forward is that the left is split Green/Labour/Lib where as the right has largely been united as a Bluekip.

Not getting into the rights and wrongs but that’s the main reason Boris won last time.

Judgement Day must be around the corner as I agree with this political comment (you missed SNP too).

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

She describes herself as a politician of principal - not a career politician

Hahaha haven’t met one of those, since I met Les Huckfield as a kid.

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

I remember having this exact same argument in the 1980's when Thatcher was PM, And eventually we got 3 consecutive Labour governments under Tony Blair, and what a fuck up that was.
The working class are doomed to be fucked over regardless of who is in office.

Tony Blair’s government was not Labour.

 

[shmmeee]

Who said anything about foreigners ?

The people who want to limit population growth, British birth rate isn't high enough to replenish on its own let alone grow the population. So if you want to keep it low you're either keeping out foreigners or telling UK citizens they can't have babies. Which is it?

 

[shmmeee]

I remember having this exact same argument in the 1980's when Thatcher was PM, And eventually we got 3 consecutive Labour governments under Tony Blair, and what a fuck up that was.
The working class are doomed to be fucked over regardless of who is in office.

What do you think was a fuck up? The lower debt? The increased number of surpluses? The improvement in public services? The reduction in homelessness? The growing economy?

 

[The Philosopher]

The people who want to limit population growth, British birth rate isn't high enough to replenish on its own let alone grow the population. So if you want to keep it low you're either keeping out foreigners or telling UK citizens they can't have babies. Which is it?

Immigration is required to support an aging population.

The advantage of Brexit (in theory) is that we can have an equal opportunities immigration program and manage skills gaps rather than unrestricted “EU citizen first” (actually discriminatory) which creates wage compression in certain sectors.

Immigration required to support economic housing and bank based model - yes.

The flip / cheat is to encourage people to live separately and away from the nuclear family model. We are seeing this in my view to the detriment of society as a whole.

I’ll stop there. It gets a bit dark when you open the box and this is a footy forum.

 

[shmmeee]

Immigration is required to support an aging population.

The advantage of Brexit is that we can have an equal opportunities immigration program and manage skills gaps rather than unrestricted “EU citizen first” (actually discriminatory) which creates wage compression in certain sectors.

Immigration required to support economic housing and bank based model - yes.

The flip / cheat is to encourage people to live separately and away from the nuclear family model. We are seeing this in my view to the detriment of society as a whole.

I’ll stop there. It gets a bit dark when you open the box and this is a footy forum.

Do you want to force people to live together who don’t want to? Otherwise I’m not sure what can be done.

 

[Ashdown]

The people who want to limit population growth, British birth rate isn't high enough to replenish on its own let alone grow the population. So if you want to keep it low you're either keeping out foreigners or telling UK citizens they can't have babies. Which is it?

I was referring to governments around the world adapting to life without relying on population growth….The UK is just a tiny part of the problem.

 

[Sick Boy]

Judgement Day must be around the corner as I agree with this political comment (you missed SNP too).

You’ll be buying yourself a purple and yellow scarf next.