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CovInEssex

CovInEssex

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I fully expect 11, 12, 13, 25 & 26 to go on sale tomorrow. Leaving a huge block (10) for seregation.

Block 10, being prime real estate in any stadium - directly behind the goal.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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David O'Day said:
Here you go, here's why the club can't just say "fuck the police and SAG"



Seems the SAG can reduce capacity for games
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These are the actual powers, the SAG is an advisory board but has absolutely no power at all in itself:

Event safety - Local authority Safety Advisory Group

Information on local authority Safety Advisory Groups.
www.hse.gov.uk www.hse.gov.uk

Purpose and scope of a SAG​

SAGs provide a forum for discussing and advising on public safety at an event. They aim to help organisers with the planning, and management of an event and to encourage cooperation and coordination between all relevant agencies. They are non-statutory bodies and so do not have legal powers or responsibilities, and are not empowered to approve or prohibit events from taking place. Event organisers and others involved in the running of an event, retain the principal legal duties for ensuring public safety.
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The legal powers the council has are below (I am unsure what powers the police have aside from as an advisor to SAG):

If the local authority are of the opinion that the admission of spectators to a sports ground or any part of a sports ground involves or will involve a risk to them so serious that, until steps have been taken to reduce it to a reasonable level, admission of spectators to the ground or that part of the ground ought to be prohibited or restricted, the authority may serve a notice (in this Act referred to as a “prohibition notice”) on such persons as are specified in subsection (6) below.

Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975

An Act to make provision for safety at sports stadia and other sports grounds.
www.legislation.gov.uk www.legislation.gov.uk

You can see why you're a fan of Sir Kier, you'd lock people up for looking at you funny
 
bigfatronssba

bigfatronssba

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Nick said:
How do you know what safety certificate there is for our games?
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Because we've had nearly 32k in there before.

If the capacity had been reduced it would have to be made public knowledge
 
Nick

Nick

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bigfatronssba said:
Because we've had nearly 32k in there before.

If the capacity had been reduced it would have to be made public knowledge
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How would it?

Pretty sure things have changed since then. Multiple rental deals, stadium owners etc etc.

The club aren't going to be turning down the chance to sell every ticket they can.
 
K

Kilclines curly mullet

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GIMOC said:
lol - hope that post is for bites and not being serious. The club have messed so much in this. Which for me, doesn’t bode going forward. Derby is a cop out and more so showed the police being incompetent
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Although I’ll admit to winding people up on occasion, this time I’m actually serious
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Back in the real world it seems the club being sensible and not running the club like a 15 year old teenager may have got results that people would like
 
bigfatronssba

bigfatronssba

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Nick said:
How would it?

Pretty sure things have changed since then. Multiple rental deals, stadium owners etc etc.

The club aren't going to be turning down the chance to sell every ticket they can.
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Well we have over 30k in there last week, so we know that the capacity is at least that right?
 
Nick

Nick

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fernandopartridge said:
These are the actual powers, the SAG is an advisory board but has absolutely no power at all in itself:

Event safety - Local authority Safety Advisory Group

Information on local authority Safety Advisory Groups.
www.hse.gov.uk www.hse.gov.uk



The legal powers the council has are below (I am unsure what powers the police have aside from as an advisor to SAG):

If the local authority are of the opinion that the admission of spectators to a sports ground or any part of a sports ground involves or will involve a risk to them so serious that, until steps have been taken to reduce it to a reasonable level, admission of spectators to the ground or that part of the ground ought to be prohibited or restricted, the authority may serve a notice (in this Act referred to as a “prohibition notice”) on such persons as are specified in subsection (6) below.

Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975

An Act to make provision for safety at sports stadia and other sports grounds.
www.legislation.gov.uk www.legislation.gov.uk

You can see why you're a fan of Sir Kier, you'd lock people up for looking at you funny
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The choices of enforcement action are:

Informal Warning.

Reduction in Capacity.

Prohibition Notice.

Simple Caution.

Prosecution




It's on the cov council website
 
bigfatronssba

bigfatronssba

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Nick said:
That was with more away fans wasnt it?
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That's not relevant. The ground is given a safety certificate which specifies it capacity. It doesn't specify how many of the other 91 clubs are allowed to attend.
 
Calista

Calista

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mark82 said:
Is block 32 family zone? Or standard? Said standard when adding to basket but when try to check out it says it's family zone.
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It has to be said that Ticketmaster's web service is dreadful, and the way it has been customised to work with CCFC's ticketing policies seems hopeless. Between them they have managed to produce a labyrinth, when it ought to have been quite straightforward.
 
bigfatronssba

bigfatronssba

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Its all very simple.

The ground is allowed to let in 32k people to watch games.

The Police and SAG advise the club on segregation and away numbers.

The club can choose or not choose to take this advice.

If fans safety is put at risk then the club is liable to prosecution and a reduction in capacity.

However the authorities cannot reduce the capacity of the stadium willy nilly. It has to go through the correct legal channels and has to be for a valid reason.

If they had at any point reduced the capacity of the ground it would've been in the news, as such action is highly unusual.


The SAG and Police will always advise the maximum amount of segregation as it is their job to push for maximum safety, just like all those covid scientists that would still have us in lockdown. In the real world risk is traded off against living a life and running a business
 
slowpoke

slowpoke

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CovInEssex said:
I fully expect 11, 12, 13, 25 & 26 to go on sale tomorrow. Leaving a huge block (10) for seregation.

Block 10, being prime real estate in any stadium - directly behind the goal.
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If something like that happens it’s up to fans in those blocks to sit facing the front, not side on with their chests sticking out, that’s win lose or draw.
Anybody doing facing the away fans doing hand gestures etc, don’t fuck about, eject them, identify them if possible and bar them from Wembley.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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bigfatronssba said:
Its all very simple.

The ground is allowed to let in 32k people to watch games.

The Police and SAG advise the club on segregation and away numbers.

The club can choose or not choose to take this advice.

If fans safety is put at risk then the club is liable to prosecution and a reduction in capacity.

However the authorities cannot reduce the capacity of the stadium willy nilly. It has to go through the correct legal channels and has to be for a valid reason.

If they had at any point reduced the capacity of the ground it would've been in the news, as such action is highly unusual.


The SAG and Police will always advise the maximum amount of segregation as it is their job to push for maximum safety, just like all those covid scientists that would still have us in lockdown. In the real world risk is traded off against living a life and running a business
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From the council's own site, it doesn't appear that either of these two criteria are met to support a reduction in capacity

Reducing the capacity of all, or part of, a sports ground is a formal action which would be appropriate in the following situations:

  • if an incident suggests that the management of a sports ground is performing poorly or
  • if the Council’s inspecting personnel identify any deficiencies in the fabric, equipment, records or management systems, which the authority has not already taken into account when accepting or calculating the permitted capacity.
 
torchomatic

torchomatic

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Tomh111 said:
What is the fucking point in a priority point system if you aren't going to use it for the biggest game in years?

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Priority points are for away games, which have far fewer tickets for sale than we have season ticket holders. It's not for home games, no matter what the occasion.
 
GIMOC

GIMOC

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Boro doing it for the home game.gives fans with priority over the part timers.surely that’s fairer than what’s happened over the past 24 hrs
 
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torchomatic

torchomatic

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mark82 said:
That's the frustrating thing, there are actual glory supporters who are able to go on the back of season ticket holders.
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As others have said, STH shouldn't have been given the opportunity to purchase extra tickets. I didn't. It's not fair. All should have gone into the General Sale pot.
 
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