Nick
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I didn't know they had blocked you, it looks like you didn't either as you were replying directly to them.
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I didn't know they had blocked you, it looks like you didn't either as you were replying directly to them.
rob9872
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I've apologised for countless times and had three years of shit over from you and others:
March 23rd 2014: covmark said: "What do you expect people to say, maybe wish a car crash on him?" and my reply "only if its into a wall as innocent people could be hurt in the other car"
A throwaway comment in 6000+ posts and 6 years of posting yet it comes up time and again at every opportunity.
March 23rd 2014: covmark said: "What do you expect people to say, maybe wish a car crash on him?" and my reply "only if its into a wall as innocent people could be hurt in the other car"
A throwaway comment in 6000+ posts and 6 years of posting yet it comes up time and again at every opportunity.
Esoterica
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Sad isn't it, hardly anyone that wants to talk about the football these days. 8 people offered ratings from the game but we have busier threads on how shit 2 of our players are and this one with 350 replies.
Nick
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So if it bothers you report it and it will get sorted instead of trying to use it as a stick to hit me with because I said it was OTT shouting in Fisher's face? Reply to the PM I sent you straight away before I looked back to see what the issue was also if you find it so insulting and class it as bullying instead of ignoring it if you really have an issue.
May as well get rid of the political threads in off topic, lost count of the times left, right, racism, nazi and all that shite has been thrown back and forth which is why I don't even bother reading them unless something is reported in there.
Finally, stop throwing shit about if you don't want shit back. You are moaning about the man being taken not the ball, after you have gone in 2 footed a couple of times yourself.
Which again, if Fisher got in people's faces he should expect people to be in his. If he starts swinging he should expect it back. I haven't said he was bullied in any of it, other people have though. To me bullying is where somebody is blameless, he isn't blameless but the actions against him were OTT and wouldn't achieve anything.
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oucho
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Watched the video again today and the only person in it to come out with any credit is TF himself. I'm not a fan of his but he did show a lot of self control and a bit of dignity there; would have been easy to go into slanging match mode, as indeed several others there did. Otherwise it's cringeworthy to watch, but in fairness a lot of ale had been consumed by all concerned.
Nick
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That's the thing, it doesn't make him look bad. Somebody debating and catching him out and picking things out he says does.
That was the point I was trying to make about it.
oucho
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I have tried the "nice and reasonable" approach when talking to him at train stations and didn't get any further than those in the video so I am not sure your theory about another approach working is right, he just played the smart aleck....although I do seem to remember him hinting to me that SP was going to get sacked (this was after the away defeat at Gillingham, a couple of weeks before SP did indeed get fired).
Grendel
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Tony to my knowledge you have never proved the account wasn't yours so we have to assume based on your posting history it's validity or not
We know you have voted uk and fiercely defended UKIP against charges of racism.
We also know you once repeatedly taunted a poster by calling him "monkey boy" and at one point said I would feed him bananas. You also seemed to suggest we were in a homosexual relationship at the time I believe.
So that's not bullying or racism.
Ok
Nick
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Can you keep that to the politics threads? It's not related to this. It's bad enough having those in off topic.
Grendel
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I do have him on ignore and that's why. He's always throwing stones at glass houses and as soon as someone responds back bleats like a baby.
skybluetony176
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I wasn't replying to them when they made the accusation. They posted the accusation of the back of me liking someone else's post. It's all there if you read through. I explain it all perfectly and correctly in my reply to the accusation. It's up to you Nick, you can either set the bar low so that accusing people of being racist when they know full well you aren't is acceptable or you don't. He's still playing the silly game now. I noticed you've had a half hearted attempt at telling them to stop by keeping it to the politics thread but knowingly falsely accusing someone of being something you know them not to be shouldn't really have a place on any thread should it? Or next time we have a disagreement or you post something I deem you've done just for reaction or you like someone's post I disagree with maybe I should just accuse you of being a racist if that's acceptable.
Nick
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No, I am on about you replying to his posts directly multiple times throughout the thread. So trying to use the "he has blocked me so I couldnt have been trying to get a reaction" line as if you knew also doesn't work.
That bickering goes on and on for weeks in off topic, hence I've said keep it in there. It's boring. You are clearly still just using this as some sort of stick to try and aim at me which doesn't really work.
It's like me trying to wind SBK up and then saying he bullies me when he explodes with randomness on a thread. You clearly try to provoke, you whinge when something gets said. It's simple, don't quote him multiple times to get reactions etc and just report things if they offend you.
Accuse me of being racist if you want. I'm really not that arsed.
You are clearly just also playing silly games yourself going on about bullying etc because I said it was OTT behaving like they did which multiple others have also said.
Moff
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Apologies Harry, I would rather have read you and Esoterica have a ten page debate on the good old pickle than the usual spats on here.
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Kindest Bloke on CCFC / Maker of CCFC Dreams
Strange video, the fan is the one who looks a fool and lets us down as fans. Also, those that have tried to engage TF at stations etc then that's not the right place to do so and after all, he is adept at avoiding the real questions.
I have said for a long time that it needs some bright individuals to really be at the forum and ask the non emotional questions and drill him on the finances of investment with follow up questions like "where was this spent, what revenues provided the funds for this investment etc, ie direct SISU or money generated from the club.
He is also smart enough that he is not going to be put in that position.
Apart from whether he is willing to have fan engagement or not, as non shareholders, we have absolutely no right to be involved or ask the questions. What value does he place on engagement with a club, does fan engagement at Manure lead to additional fans or revenues, I doubt it so why would it for us, it leads to resentment, anger and scenes like this when he is trying to make his way home like any other supporter that day and the fact that Chesterfield were probably closing the ground etc
Should he wait somewhere in a dark ally for everyone else to clear off, he has a family and needs to get home like the rest of us. He has a right to not have individuals in his face like that.
We have to then make sensible choices about how we feel our club is being run, some choose to boycott, some continue to attend but we should not resort to caveman style tactics which don't work and only prove to alienate any ongoing engagement/conversation with the club.
I have said for a long time that it needs some bright individuals to really be at the forum and ask the non emotional questions and drill him on the finances of investment with follow up questions like "where was this spent, what revenues provided the funds for this investment etc, ie direct SISU or money generated from the club.
He is also smart enough that he is not going to be put in that position.
Apart from whether he is willing to have fan engagement or not, as non shareholders, we have absolutely no right to be involved or ask the questions. What value does he place on engagement with a club, does fan engagement at Manure lead to additional fans or revenues, I doubt it so why would it for us, it leads to resentment, anger and scenes like this when he is trying to make his way home like any other supporter that day and the fact that Chesterfield were probably closing the ground etc
Should he wait somewhere in a dark ally for everyone else to clear off, he has a family and needs to get home like the rest of us. He has a right to not have individuals in his face like that.
We have to then make sensible choices about how we feel our club is being run, some choose to boycott, some continue to attend but we should not resort to caveman style tactics which don't work and only prove to alienate any ongoing engagement/conversation with the club.
oucho
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Anyone know how a thread about the train station kerfuffle ended up with allegations of Nazi sympathies flying about?
skybluetony176
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That's the point. I wouldn't accuse you of being a racist because I have no grounds to. Neither does Grendull with me despite his silly games. Just so I know what do I have to be accused of before you find it inappropriate? I thought labelling someone a racist was pretty low but apparently not. Just how low do the unfounded accusations have to go before it becomes inappropriate?
Presumably if someone had have accused Tim Fisher of being a racist without any foundation to the accusation you'd be meh, so what?
You're as the owner and administrator of this site are setting a very slippery slope here. The fact that you can't see that is staggering.
Moff
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Haven't a clue, perhaps we can join Harry and Esoterica in discussing our favourite pickle instead, it would be a lot more fun!
Nick
Administrator
The point is, I wouldn't turn on the "Im being bullied" act to suit when I was there prodding at somebody. You said yourself you found it funny because it wasn't true, the same reaction I would give and why I wouldn't be arsed.
You said:
I sent you a PM earlier asking what was up, you didn't reply. Why are you suddenly so outraged about it and aiming it all at me?
If you tried to wind Grendel up on here and he outnumbered you at a game and shouted in your face then yes, it would be OTT and stupid also.
It's because I can see you are pretending to be outraged because I disagreed with you. You are trying to pretend you are bullied to prove a point because I said it was OTT with Fisher (I didnt mention bullying) and you don't agree.
Yet you are the one moaning about trying to take the man not the ball, meanwhile you are trying to 2 foot me at waist height over and over again.
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dongonzalos
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So we are all agreed then.....
Fisher or anyone should not be attacked, verbally abused or threatened.
He should be questioned at every opportunity about his decision making and someone always record it so the answers can be posted for all to see and compared to previous answers.
He should be asked what is his reward for his work and what are his exact targets to get this reward and what is his plan to achieve it.
He is the worst chairman we have ever had
and Tony isn't a racist as in this country you are innocent till proven guilty not the other way round.
So it is for Grendel to prove that account was set up by Tony, it's not for Tony to have to prove it wasn't him.
Otherwise stop calling him a racist
Fisher or anyone should not be attacked, verbally abused or threatened.
He should be questioned at every opportunity about his decision making and someone always record it so the answers can be posted for all to see and compared to previous answers.
He should be asked what is his reward for his work and what are his exact targets to get this reward and what is his plan to achieve it.
He is the worst chairman we have ever had
and Tony isn't a racist as in this country you are innocent till proven guilty not the other way round.
So it is for Grendel to prove that account was set up by Tony, it's not for Tony to have to prove it wasn't him.
Otherwise stop calling him a racist
Grendel
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Clearly we don't agree fisher was the worst chairman and I'm not calling anyone anything.
Is this now a lynch mob or perhaps a lunch mob?
skyblueinBaku
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My favourites are the courgette chutney and the spicy tomato chutney that we make from our garden produce. Also, the missus makes a really great pickle called Adjika that comes from the former USSR eastern republics. :emoji_cucumber::emoji_eggplant::emoji_hot_pepper::emoji_yum::emoji_yum:
Sky Blue Kid
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At last! Admitting is good for the soul Nick.
skybluetony176
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I'm not pretending to be anything. I'm not bothered by him making accusations he knows not to be true. Like I said it says more about him than it does me.
What I find unbelievable (still not outraged) is that you condone this behaviour to the point where you're making out it's my own fault. By that same standard you must condone someone shouting wanker in Fishers face. Which was the double standard being thrown at you by a different poster when I jumped in with this example. And you've proved them 100% correct when they said you allow people to receive verbal abuse on this forum and join in.
Accusing someone of being a racist is verbal abuse. Just because I'm not bothered doesn't stop it being abuse. Anyone can call me a twat until the cows come home, at times I can be I accept that so I acknowledge I probably deserve it. To accuse someone of being a racist goes well beyond that. Just because I'm not bothered does that mean you should accept it? You clearly do but does that mean you should? It's a slippery slope.
Yes. We've noticed...;-)
Dear oh dear, penny still not dropped with some people has it?
letsallsingtogether
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Funny how those now shouting the loudest about bullying were quick to jump on Steve s back.I'm not too sure it's exactly the same as a gang of people cornering somebody on their own and shouting in their face in that manner. That is wrong whether it happens to you, me, S Gilbert, Fisher, Ann Lucas etc etc or any other names people want to use as examples.
It's a bit different to pointing out things they say or taking the piss a little bit isn't it? Especially as you like to give just as much yourself and then get a bit back
And before you say it he is not an anonymous poster he is known to all there's year comments were not a piss take but personal attacks.
So all these hypocrites are now crying becauce someone raised a voice to nice Mr Fisher.
Moff
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Who are all these hypocrites that are crying? All I can see is Tony and Nick having a row. Are they the two who are crying? or are you just throwing it in to prove your point.
Did someone shout things in Steve's face? Or did people just say it was a mistake to retweet racist/ nationalist stuff? Most people are saying there is no point at screaming insults in TF's face...that we come out looking worse than him. Hardly crying on behalf of nice Mr Fisher...
Nick
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It really isn't a slippery slope, as you are clearly trying to use it as a stick because I said it was OTT what happened with Fisher. You trying to act like you are bullied also says more about you and switching on the outrage days later.
You going on about playing the ball not the man but then constantly trying to take my legs away also says more.
It isn't double standards, if Grendel was on a train platform with others shouting in your face it would be exactly the same and out of order. I've put that into multiple posts.
Somebody posting on here Fisher is a wanker is different to a group of people getting aggressive in his face at a train station. The poster you are on about going on about abuse is somebody else who gives it out and then gets a bit back. Hence I said if it was Wingy / BBR / OSB it would be different as they don't give it out.... I give it out, I don't cry bullying when I get it back. That's the difference.
You are scraping the barrel because I disagreed with you about something.
Nick
Administrator
Who is mentioning bullying? You have quoted me but I haven't mentioned it at all.
Funny though, as you will know I felt a bit for the stick Steve got and tried my best to get people off his back and stop it from crossing that line from internet forum shite to somebody online to his username to his real life as best I could.
Who is actually shouting loud about bullying? It seems to be Tony the most.
eastwoodsdustman
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They don't go back to school until Thursday.
Sky Blue Kid
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I think the point being made is... SBT76 has been accused of being racist..Which we all clearly know he's not, yet you allow posters to accuse him without any proof whatsoever and get away without even a warning.
Nick
Administrator
Yes, the same as I don't cry bullying or act the victim when me and you have been giving each other shit back and forth and I get PM's telling me I'm mentally disabled / have learning difficulties. However if you had randomly sent them to OSB or somebody who clearly doesn't get involved with it for no reason you would as it's a bit different then.
Tony has also said he finds it funny and isn't bothered by it and it makes Grendel look bad.
Do you still not see where I'm coming from?
Sky Blue Kid
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Not getting into any rows.. Just saying, SBT76 isn't a racist, and his accuser gets away with the accusation. Nothing to do with having a row on the forum.. Racism accusations are going way beyong the pail.
Nick
Administrator
I haven't once said he is. The point is he is only bringing it up as stick to try and beat me with after he has said he finds it funny, he isn't bothered and it makes the other person look bad, while he moans about Grendel taking the man not the ball....