Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
I just answered on one of your other posts, something about you questioning that he’s got a track record of turning things around
and yet you don’t answer any of the questions you yourself pose - you’ve offered no reason why other than it’s your opinion…
I’m almost convinced you’re on the wind up!
So what does he have to achieve by Christmas in your eyes?
Imo, mid table will be fine. I don't expect a new manager to suddenly turn us into play off contenders, we'd need automatic form pretty much to achieve that, so his expectations should be the same as a change. He's earned that, so I think clear of relegation and upwards trajectory should be the expectation at Christmas.and yet you don’t answer any of the questions you yourself pose - you’ve offered no reason why other than it’s your opinion…
I’m almost convinced you’re on the wind up!
So what does he have to achieve by Christmas in your eyes?
Because the form has been awful since then.Why is everyone on the negative side quoting the end of last season? It's been x months or x games? I realise it suits the narrative but it also isn't relevant. Whether you want him gone on this season is of course your choice, I accept its not been good enough and understand both sides of the argument, but we completely ran out of steam after the semifinal and very quickly that huge low point followed by understandable defeat, meant nothing to play for.
Why is everyone on the negative side quoting the end of last season? It's been x months or x games? I realise it suits the narrative but it also isn't relevant. Whether you want him gone on this season is of course your choice, I accept its not been good enough and understand both sides of the argument, but we completely ran out of steam after the semifinal and very quickly that huge low point followed by understandable defeat, meant nothing to play for.
It is acceptable. After what we'd been through, some big performances in the cup and v Leeds/Leicester, we were to coin a phrase on the beach early. Last season was great for lots of reasons and we simply ran out if steam.Because the form has been awful since then.
"Nothing to play for" is being thrown around worryingly as if it's acceptable.
Imo, mid table will be fine. I don't expect a new manager to suddenly turn us into play off contenders, we'd need automatic form pretty much to achieve that, so his expectations should be the same as a change. He's earned that, so I think clear of relegation and upwards trajectory should be the expectation at Christmas.
It's very relevant.you answered your own question- because it suits the narrative. So it’s getting bulldozed down everyone’s throat. It’s of zero relevance, and it’s not even necessary- the start has not been good enough.
It is acceptable. After what we'd been through, some big performances in the cup and v Leeds/Leicester, we were to coin a phrase on the beach early. Last season was great for lots of reasons and we simply ran out if steam.
In the semi final ohare ran a record km, missed the hull defeat after through exhaustion. Those are facts. After that he wasn't up for getting injured being out of contract. In the period before he was our most influential player. It was such a drop off and to expect others to play above themselves after what we'd been through was unrealistic.It's really not acceptable and the "ran out of steam" excuse was nonsense.
"What we'd been through"In the semi final ohare ran a record km, missed the hull defeat after through exhaustion. Those are facts. After that he wasn't up for getting injured being out of contract. In the period before he was our most influential player. It was such a drop off and to expect others to play above themselves after what we'd been through was unrealistic.
Because the form has been awful since then.
"Nothing to play for" is being thrown around worryingly as if it's acceptable.
I just answered on one of your other posts, something about you questioning that he’s got a track record of turning things around
It's not beyond reasonable to say it's not acceptable that they apparently downed tools because they were tired.I'm not even staunch against his departure, simply pointing out the flaws in the arguments but you're beyond what's reasonable and won't see any other view. This isn't a black and white argument, but it's becoming petty and childish like the politics thread with clear sides drawn, so I'll make this my last post. Enjoy your irrational 'debating'.
It's not beyond reasonable to say it's not acceptable that they apparently downed tools because they were tired.
They still haven't picked the tools back up so it's not irrational.
After the last 8 years supporting this club, it’s fucking madness to think anybody would want anyone else in the job.It's madness to think nobody would want the job.
After the last 8 years supporting this club, it’s fucking madness to think anybody would want anyone else in the job.
It’s people like you & threads like this, that go some way to explaining some of life’s curious anomaly'slike working people voting Tory & Turkeys for Christmas
twice doesn’t indicate a ‘track record’
50 years following this club & the man currently managing it ‘despite all the well documented constraints’ has overseen the very best of those times, competing at the right end of the table, days out at Wembley, pride in my team, he gives us all he has & you want him sacked off after a poor start to the seasonThis nonsense is why robins has had the easiest job in the football league in terms of the fans. Weirdly, some fans would let him have a job for life regardless.
After the last 8 years supporting this club, it’s fucking madness to think anybody would want anyone else in the job.
It’s people like you & threads like this, that go some way to explaining some of life’s curious anomaly'slike working people voting Tory & Turkeys voting for Christmas
Of course it does, but even if not he also took on Rotherham and Barnsley from seemingly impossible positions and improved their situations beyond reasonable expectation. His track record also includes 2 promotions & regular trips to Wembley so I'm not sure how much more you want
If we lose the next two matches we're going to have to go some to get into the top half let alone even think about the play offs.I'm a stick with Robins atm,
but he's getting precariously close to the edge of the cliff, two further defeats this week and that will be that.
I belive some of the issues are down to the bids rejected on deadline day, Simms being the obvious one and the dummy has been spat, possibly Sheaf and MVE may also be in that boat.
Throw in the terrible form, lack of depth in the middle, totally new set up behind the scenes and we end up with a mess.
Pre Doug = Sisu's fault
Now = Doug's fault
I mean, we might have everything to play for, for all the wrong reasonsgive it a few more games this season we’ll have nothing to play for - does that mean it’s acceptable to down tools and accept it? (Nick this is backing up your point)
Do we know for certain that there was a Simms bid?I'm a stick with Robins atm,
but he's getting precariously close to the edge of the cliff, two further defeats this week and that will be that.
I belive some of the issues are down to the bids rejected on deadline day, Simms being the obvious one and the dummy has been spat, possibly Sheaf and MVE may also be in that boat.
Throw in the terrible form, lack of depth in the middle, totally new set up behind the scenes and we end up with a mess.
Thing is, some of the things people have criticised Robins over right now, are the same things they have always criticised him over.You think not replacing the assistant or the experience in the squad isn't down to King?
That part is definitely down to him.
And I can't find one post saying Robins is blameless. People just keep making it up in their heads.
But he's had 3 tools which hes used to be succesful, an assistant, experienced players and loans all taken away from him.
Anyone who thinks that hasn't had an affect is deluded.
He's still made some poor selections and in game decisions though, no doubt about it.
There was serious chat it was bournmouth .Do we know for certain that there was a Simms bid?
I respect your view but really disagree on this. I would normally agree with this view point however since the bad run, we have struggled to finish our chances and struggled to defend against silly chances.you answered your own question- because it suits the narrative. So it’s getting bulldozed down everyone’s throat. It’s of zero relevance, and it’s not even necessary- the start has not been good enough without weird stretches & leaps.
I’d be at this point but for his not inconsiderable personal issues in the background.Tbh it's all opinion, you can't prove the future and you'll never get the chance to see alternate futures play out so you'll never know what the best decision was.
My opinion is that we've looked like a team in real trouble for many weeks, we absolutely stink of relegation and anyone who thinks it can't happen needs to wake up. I see a manager with no plan on how to fix it who pisses about with the team weekly, making increasingly bizarre decisions in an attempt to land on the secret formula. It's a shame its ending this way it really is but we need fresh ideas. I'd have sacked him after the Sheffield Wednesday game, if we don't beat QPR he really needs to step down.
I've probably got bigger personal issues and I'm depressed watching this shiteI’d be at this point but for his not inconsiderable personal issues in the background.
and don't forgoet that he didn't have the preseason either. And he still looks our best player - by a distance.Wright has been called up twice already for international duty and I think he just looks in and out of form .
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?