They should be made up to front up to the media? Cue the witch hunt every week if that starts to happen.
Or admit their mistakes to fans? How then do you define they have made a mistake? Because they have interpreted a certain incident differently based on their opinion which differs to biased fans?
I remember recently against Fulham when the officials were lambasted for making a mistake when they awarded an indirect free kick for Vic coming back from an offside position to collect the ball in his own half for which a free kick was awarded.
No doubt you were in the crowd along with 99% of others who ended up with egg on their faces when it was the correct call all along-but hey, we all know that the best Referees are always in the stands even though they don’t know the laws of the game but pretend they do.
I've also recently said refs should be paid a lot more and only the captain or players involved in an incident should get to speak to refs and anybody else booked instantly.They should be made up to front up to the media? Cue the witch hunt every week if that starts to happen.
Or admit their mistakes to fans? How then do you define they have made a mistake? Because they have interpreted a certain incident differently based on their opinion which differs to biased fans?
I remember recently against Fulham when the officials were lambasted for making a mistake when they awarded an indirect free kick for Vic coming back from an offside position to collect the ball in his own half for which a free kick was awarded.
No doubt you were in the crowd along with 99% of others who ended up with egg on their faces when it was the correct call all along-but hey, we all know that the best Referees are always in the stands even though they don’t know the laws of the game but pretend they do.
Also, great assumption there, was a correct call as the law is now so as I said to people around me.No doubt you were in the crowd along with 99% of others who ended up with egg on their faces when it was the correct call all along
I was in the 99% and quick to acknowledge I was wrong. Even posted another thread saying I was wrong referring to it when asking another question.They should be made up to front up to the media? Cue the witch hunt every week if that starts to happen.
Or admit their mistakes to fans? How then do you define they have made a mistake? Because they have interpreted a certain incident differently based on their opinion which differs to biased fans?
I remember recently against Fulham when the officials were lambasted for making a mistake when they awarded an indirect free kick for Vic coming back from an offside position to collect the ball in his own half for which a free kick was awarded.
No doubt you were in the crowd along with 99% of others who ended up with egg on their faces when it was the correct call all along-but hey, we all know that the best Referees are always in the stands even though they don’t know the laws of the game but pretend they do.
I thought it was a penalty as it was just in front of us. The referee was nearer than most of us and his opinion was that it wasn’t a penalty. Not much we can doAlso, great assumption there, was a correct call as the law is now so as I said to people around me.
Did you criticise the ref for not blowing when Gyo's ankle was tripled in size or was that a perfect decision as they can do no wrong?
That's my point.I thought it was a penalty as it was just in front of us. The referee was nearer than most of us and his opinion was that it wasn’t a penalty. Not much we can do
I’m not sure pay and conditions etc can make an opinion better? The majority of decisions that get talked after a match about are opinion based and not fact.That's my point.
There is nothing anybody can do, managers get banned for saying anything, fans are ignored and they don't have to explain themselves to the media.
They deserve more protection, better pay and better conditions but until they need to sort out the catastrophic errors they make.
Gyokeres' ankle is a fact.I’m not sure pay and conditions etc can make an opinion better? The majority of decisions that get talked after a match about are opinion based and not fact.
I’m not sure pay and conditions etc can make an opinion better? The majority of decisions that get talked after a match about are opinion based and not fact.
it means that his opinion that it was a penalty was wrong and the outcome of a game that could have hundreds of millions of pounds riding on it come the end of the season has possibly been adjusted.Yes-he got kicked in the ankle-a fact as you put it according to some pictures doing the rounds that we have all seen. Not really sure why bringing up his ankle is leverage regarding the referees opinion that it wasn’t a penalty.
The referees is not going to stop, look at Vics ankle, see if it’s swollen and then change his mind and give the penalty.
What’s to say he didn’t get a whack on the ankle first half or during another part of the game?
Adge is happy for accountability. Id disagree that most of the decisions we discuss are opinion. I think most are fact and most of the time the officials have got them correct and the rump of fans and most players aren’t aware of the laws of the game. Where it is opinion it can be reflective not of the subjective nature of decision making but as much the position of the referee and their assistant and that is something that can be improved by an official. Yok could have played the situation better and made it easier for the ref. He’ll learn from that too and will have earned points by trying to stay on his feetit means that his opinion that it was a penalty was wrong and the outcome of a game that could have hundreds of millions of pounds riding on it come the end of the season has possibly been adjusted.
If you pay them better, train them more, protect them on the pitch but make them face the consequences for their actions afterwards to be replaced by the other hundreds of refs you've attracted to the system with good pay and conditions then you start to see quality rising instead of just having to take what we're given.
Godden won a penalty that he shouldn't have been given - 2 game ban. The ref doesn't give a stonewall - nothing.
I know you're a ref so you'll just defend them no matter what but what I'm proposing is actually making their lives better, taking the abuse they receive away and giving them a better working environment with better pay and better conditions but because they have to be held accountable for that you don't want to know. We'll instead just carry on as we are where everybody just thinks refs are cunts and nobody wants to take it up because it isn't worth being smacked round the head in a park for. The whole system needs reforming.
In theory I like the idea. The trouble being with biased fans (whoever they support) is that explaining decisions directly after the game to the media, with the explanations/answers given, 99% of the time people would still be disagreeing with them anyway as the decision was against their teamit means that his opinion that it was a penalty was wrong and the outcome of a game that could have hundreds of millions of pounds riding on it come the end of the season has possibly been adjusted.
If you pay them better, train them more, protect them on the pitch but make them face the consequences for their actions afterwards to be replaced by the other hundreds of refs you've attracted to the system with good pay and conditions then you start to see quality rising instead of just having to take what we're given.
Godden won a penalty that he shouldn't have been given - 2 game ban. The ref doesn't give a stonewall - nothing.
I know you're a ref so you'll just defend them no matter what but what I'm proposing is actually making their lives better, taking the abuse they receive away and giving them a better working environment with better pay and better conditions but because they have to be held accountable for that you don't want to know. We'll instead just carry on as we are where everybody just thinks refs are cunts and nobody wants to take it up because it isn't worth being smacked round the head in a park for. The whole system needs reforming.
Adge is happy for accountability. Id disagree that most of the decisions we discuss are opinion. I think most are fact and most of the time the officials have got them correct and the rump of fans and most players aren’t aware of the laws of the game. Where it is opinion it can be reflective not of the subjective nature of decision making but as much the position of the referee and their assistant and that is something that can be improved by an official. Yok could have played the situation better and made it easier for the ref. He’ll learn from that too and will have earned points by trying to stay on his feet
In theory I like the idea. The trouble being with biased fans (whoever they support) is that explaining decisions directly after the game to the media, with the explanations/answers given, 99% of the time people would still be disagreeing with them anyway as the decision was against their team
Slightly hyperbolic. Judges often preside over long-term life/death, life changing situations. Not a tenth of a second decision at full speed.Gyokeres' ankle is a fact.
You don't pay judges £20 an hour and when they get something wrong say "oh well, they're doing their best".
It depends if it’s a a glaring error or not for me - ultimately a lot of decisions are subjective. Of course you get proper howlers:
- us v luton for instance. They’re usually punished with a demotion.
but given it’s a contact game decisions like the Gyokeres incident happen. Fucking frustrating like, but ultimately you’ve got to give the ref the benefit of the doubt - whilst it’s a penalty all day to us, there’s probably others out there who probably think he was hardly touched.
there’s assessors at every game, refs are relegated and promoted every season. Unfortunately the lower you go down the worse the refs are…
the best ref performance I saw was our last championship relegation season, Clattenburg reffed us v Forest and got pretty much decision even in my biased mind right. We lost 2-0
It's absolutely tragic. The FA, or the relevant powers that be, need to step in and make substantial changes to the culture of how referees are viewed or it will have catastrophic consequences on youth team and grass roots football. Every week my Dad will say 'Another shit ref' regardless of their quality. He thinks that, despite his obvious bias, he has a better understanding of the laws of the game from 60 yards away than a fully trained professional. It all adds to the underlying issue of thinking abusing refs is fine, when they are fundamental to the game we love. That isn't to say I think refs are perfect by any stretch, they're not. They will make mistakes, it's only natural as its human error. We're in danger of driving out something that is essential to the game actually taking place.
The other thing it does, is drive us towards more use of VAR, for which I think is hugely damaging to the whole football experience. I was sat with an Arsenal fan when they equalised v Palace and he basically didn't celebrate a last minute equaliser for a minute or so until it was deemed okay by VAR. That isn't why I love football. Referees will make decisions we don't agree with. They always have done. They are impartial and much likely to be rational than a fan of a team. They also don't get to view something on replays six times over to understand how you can now see minimal contact to deem it an 'obvious' foul. They ALSO make absolutely clangers, for which they should be punished. These aren't mutually exclusive takes. Inept refereeing should be punished. Fans need to also grow up and realise that not every referee is determined to give decisions against you and that their 'horrific' decision is actually borderline.
And I bet the ref finished the game. Proper assistant refs so it’s not a parks level game. MadnessGuess what the punishment was for the player in the first clip of that thread?
Lifetime ban & locked up for assault is what you'd think right?
Nope, 5 year ban & a caution.
Ridiculous.
The Coventry Sunday league are playing 3 leagues out of 6 alternate weekends as there aren’t enough referees.
Every week my Dad will say 'Another shit ref' regardless of their quality. He thinks that, despite his obvious bias, he has a better understanding of the laws of the game from 60 yards away than a fully trained professional.
We're the worst.You'd think the over 50s would know better but a game in our league was abandoned because some pleb threatened the ref
They need better protection but we need to be better towards them
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