Transfer targets (3 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

He got team news right a few times last season, I think it was that Walker was starting vs Norwich and there was an illness outbreak before Blackpool off the top of my head. Also knew the first three fixtures this season and some other stuff about signings last summer too I think.

Also got some stuff wrong too about Wasps not leaving and some other stuff with the King deal in Jan but I can’t remember specifics.

He got the team news right once, loads of people now the team before kick off. It's not the same as being in the know about financial and transfer matter at the club

He's not "ITK"

 

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[San Francisco]

To maybe run it like a business that doesn’t automatically load the club with debt?

SISU managed to be modest (ish) in their transfer outlay and we got to within one penalty from promotion the Premier League.

Btw not saying we don’t need players but all this bullshit about missing transfer targets, small budgets and holding out for bigger transfer fees etc is just agenda bollocks.

There’s been 15 transfers in the whole of the EFL since 1st July.

No way we ain’t getting upgrades to Dabo, Rose, Kane, Waghorn and Walker.

These things take time!


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So buying players automatically loads the club with debt?

What model other than spunking millions on players or relying on Robins conintuing to be a magic miracle worker again will actually help us get to the Premier League?

 

[Skybluedownunder]

What we have to factor in though is not all of those teams will have got as many first team players off the wage bill like we have this summer.
Yes some of them might not had that much activity but they aren’t in the position we are where we don’t have hardly any players


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[Yorkshire SB]

What we have to factor in though is not all of those teams will have got as many first team players off the wage bill like we have this summer.
Yes some of them might not had that much activity but they aren’t in the position we are where we don’t have hardly any players


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I think a moot point though. We’ll accelerate past most teams in terms of signings in the coming weeks. But until this week, not much has happened anywhere.

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

So buying players automatically loads the club with debt?

What model other than spunking millions on players or relying on Robins conintuing to be a magic miracle worker again will actually help us get to the Premier League?

The Brentford and Brighton model.

Find value in transfer market-buy low sell high and gradually build up your squad so that it becomes better over time.

Have to reinvest into squad though.

Otherwise spunk millions on transfers and fall foul of FFP.


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[mmttww]

The Brentford and Brighton model.

Find value in transfer market-buy low sell high and gradually build up your squad so that it becomes better over time.

Have to reinvest into squad though.

Otherwise spunk millions on transfers and fall foul of FFP.


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Feels like selling Vik is our first shot at starting that process, assuming we choose to pursue it.

Have to own more players, though. We'd have to stop being so reliant on loans.

 

[djr8369]

Feels like selling Vik is our first shot at starting that process, assuming we consciously choose to pursue it. Have to own more players, though. We'd have to stop being so reliant on loans.

If we can spend a million or so on several promising players and a few of them turn out like Hamer/Vic/Sheaf we’d set ourselves up nicely.

 

[Legia Sky Blue]

Feels like selling Vik is our first shot at starting that process, assuming we consciously choose to pursue it. Have to own more players, though. We'd have to stop being so reliant on loans.

Every team in the Championship has some reliance on loans, including the cash rich clubs with parachute payments.

 

[mmttww]

Every team in the Championship has some reliance on loans, including the cash rich clubs with parachute payments.

We had half a team on loan by the end of last season incl. 80% of our CBs and WBs.

That's what needs to stop. Less reliance. One in each part of the pitch is fine but we need our own core.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

We had half a team on loan by the end of last season incl. 80% of our CBs and WBs. That's what needs to stop. Less reliance. One in each part of the pitch is fine but we need our own core.

If we get the same outcome then why does it have to stop? That said I would be happier with our own players of a similar standard.

 

[Deity]

If we get the same outcome then why does it have to stop? That said I would be happier with our own players of a similar standard.

I think the issue with 5 is that you start each season with half a team to replace … you are not building any solid foundations. 2 to 3 top quality loans should be our limit really if we want to improve the quality of the assets we own.

 

[Fysnkysc]

Everyone making signings but us , getting funny now, more time passes less time we have to intergrate new players into our system.

 

[Deity]

I’d sooner secure the right targets late than the wrong targets early.

the former gives you a short term integration problem, the latter a multiples seasons long problem

stay patient

 

[SonofErnie]

I’d sooner secure the right targets late than the wrong targets early.

the former gives you a short term integration problem, the latter a multiples seasons long problem

stay patient

Yes, but I assume those ‘right’ targets will start to move elsewhere as time moves on. That was a particular feature of the infamous transfer window prior to Mowbray’s departure.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Every team in the Championship has some reliance on loans, including the cash rich clubs with parachute payments.

The difference is, the loans 'cash rich' clubs bring in are usually paid for i.e. loan fee due to the calibre of player.

Using Bournemouth as an example the season before last they brought in Nat Phillips in January for £1.5m I believe literally just on a 6 month loan deal.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If we get the same outcome then why does it have to stop? That said I would be happier with our own players of a similar standard.

Risk.

 

[cooperskyblue]

I’d sooner secure the right targets late than the wrong targets early.

the former gives you a short term integration problem, the latter a multiples seasons long problem

stay patient

Agree. We could easily go out and sign a dozen bang average players so we have the "numbers". But then we would all be complaining about the severe lack of quality.

In an ideal world we want both but that takes time and I'd imagine that the players we think can take us that next step will be sought after by other clubs which then naturally makes some deals take longer.

And as last season showed, the Championship is a long season. And so long ad we get the best quality players we can in, I don't mind waiting because we have a fantastic manager who has shown that when he gets us up to speed we can compete with anybody in this league.

 

[Samo]

Agree. We could easily go out and sign a dozen bang average players so we have the "numbers". But then we would all be complaining about the severe lack of quality.

In an ideal world we want both but that takes time and I'd imagine that the players we think can take us that next step will be sought after by other clubs which then naturally makes some deals take longer.

And as last season showed, the Championship is a long season. And so long ad we get the best quality players we can in, I don't mind waiting because we have a fantastic manager who has shown that when he gets us up to speed we can compete with anybody in this league.

I do agree but Jesus it's making me anxious!

 

[napolimp]

We had half a team on loan by the end of last season incl. 80% of our CBs and WBs. That's what needs to stop. Less reliance. One in each part of the pitch is fine but we need our own core.

We have to stop what? Fielding a team which comes within 1 kick of being promoted to the Premier League?

 

[mmttww]

If we get the same outcome then why does it have to stop? That said I would be happier with our own players of a similar standard.

We haven't made a sale that allows us to re-invest in the first XI for a long time.

Our chances of changing that seem lower if we keep using loans in the way we have.

 

[mmttww]

We have to stop what? Fielding a team which comes within 1 kick of being promoted to the Premier League?

I'm talking about the idea that we'd aim for a Brentford-type model i.e. buy low, sell high, reinvest.

I don't see that working if we have 1 or 2 stars of our own and fill a chunk of the first XI with loans.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

We have to stop what? Fielding a team which comes within 1 kick of being promoted to the Premier League?

Just because it worked last season doesn’t mean it’s a sustainable way of doing things if we have serious ambitions of going up.

 

[David O'Day]

We have to stop what? Fielding a team which comes within 1 kick of being promoted to the Premier League?

we can't really go into every season having to replace large parts of the team each year.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

we can't really go into every season having to replace large parts of the team each year.

Needs must without a rich benefactor or significant influx of funds

 

[napolimp]

I'm talking about the idea that we'd aim for a Brentford-type model i.e. buy low, sell high, reinvest.

I don't see that working if we have 1 or 2 stars of our own and fill a chunk of the first XI with loans.

I can 100% get behind that model, it would be great. But we require a recruitment team who can identify quality players who will come in on sustainable wages, and fit the model we play. No sign of that being a reality currently.

 

[napolimp]

Just because it worked last season doesn’t mean it’s a sustainable way of doing things if we have serious ambitions of going up.

Loans are part and parcel of the game outside the premier league.

 

[napolimp]

we can't really go into every season having to replace large parts of the team each year.

What's the alternative? If we build a team capable of challenging for promotion without loans, many will be sold at seasons end, or demand unsustainable wages. Hence, replacement of large parts of the team.

 

[San Francisco]

The Brentford and Brighton model.

Find value in transfer market-buy low sell high and gradually build up your squad so that it becomes better over time.

Have to reinvest into squad though.

Otherwise spunk millions on transfers and fall foul of FFP.


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Fair point but that requires an excellent recruitment team getting things right every time and a bit of luck. Also both owners are significantly wealthier than King.

 

[San Francisco]

Everyone making signings but us , getting funny now, more time passes less time we have to intergrate new players into our system.

A quarter of the Championship haven't signed anyone yet including Southampton and we've signed a player.

 

[David O'Day]

What's the alternative? If we build a team capable of challenging for promotion without loans, many will be sold at seasons end, or demand unsustainable wages. Hence, replacement of large parts of the team.

no we look at what we can do to have to have 4 or 5 loans in the team

 

[napolimp]

no we look at what we can do to have to have 4 or 5 loans in the team

TBF, I can't argue with that, because I have no idea what you're saying grammatically.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

What's the alternative? If we build a team capable of challenging for promotion without loans, many will be sold at seasons end, or demand unsustainable wages. Hence, replacement of large parts of the team.

Having our own players which we then sell on for a profit so we can continue to strengthen is a much better alternative to gambling on loans every year that make us nothing financially, yes.

 

[David O'Day]

TBF, I can't argue with that, because I have no idea what you're saying grammatically.

not to have 4 or 5 loans a season

It's not sustainable

 

[PVA]

Loans are a critical part of life in the Championship.

Burnley won the league and had 6 loans. Sheff Utd had 4, Middlesbrough had 6.

And a lot of those were some of the best players in those teams.

 

[shmmeee]

Better players are better players. If our lads are training and playing alongside better players they will get better. It’s not like we have a squad full of promising talent, buy what’s available, fill in the gaps with loans however many that is. No one wins with us signing an inferior player over a loan.