Trouble / Segregation at the CBS (2 Viewers)

[Nick]

Or how about not taking any drugs and just going and enjoying a game of football??? Mad idea I know

I can still have poppers though right?

 

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[pusbccfc]

I mentioned on another thread last week, unfortunately as The Streets lyrics suggest: 'Geezers need excitement, if their lives don't provide them this, they incite violence'.

These lads are causing shite because of the world around them. A world where our PM breaks the rules, our own police officers break the rules and a world where we've just been locked down and forced to live depressive lives.

This isn't a return to 80s football hooliganism, it's anti-social behaviour.

While you and I might behave, others will always push the boundaries.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Common sense...simple common sense

 

[David O'Day]

It happens at every other ground. You often see games where there's no gap at all just a line of stewards. Of course while there's trouble week after week there's not much incentive to allow a change.

There's been a significant rise in trouble around the country. Needs to be stamped out quickly.

You get games like United vs. Liverpool with hardly any segregation.

The safety group and police in charge of the CBS are not fit for purpose and need the sack.

 

[David O'Day]

Get sniffer dogs in at all grounds to deter this seemingly rising trend of cocaine use at football grounds and start banning anyone provoking or behaving with violence.

It has fuck all to do with coke you clown. 5 or 10 years ago there was just as much sniff being taken.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

It has fuck all to do with coke you clown. 5 or 10 years ago there was just as much sniff being taken.

If that's the case then the people taking it now clearly can't handle it. I couldn't give a fuck what people do, but it's having a massive effect.

 

[CV22SBA]

There was a bit of trouble at half time - their lot were throwing beer over onto the Cov part of the concourse and kicking the metal fence separating the home end from the away end. Then a City fan kicked a door open between the two ends, and the one Reading fan who attempted to actually use it got swiftly punched in the face. Bit of a scrum to close it again. All very silly and avoidable.

It was the cov fans kicking the metal fence. It started as soon as we equalised. Embarrassing to watch grown men kicking it with their kids stood next to them.

 

[TwistAndShoutCCFC1987]

There's a fence/barrier between singers corner and the away end too.

There is but it’s so small you can easily jump it and it’s covered in netting

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I mentioned on another thread last week, unfortunately as The Streets lyrics suggest: 'Geezers need excitement, if their lives don't provide them this, they incite violence'.

These lads are causing shite because of the world around them. A world where our PM breaks the rules, our own police officers break the rules and a world where we've just been locked down and forced to live depressive lives.

This isn't a return to 80s football hooliganism, it's anti-social behaviour.

While you and I might behave, others will always push the boundaries.

Nah. Everyone's responsible for their own behaviour.

 

[clint van damme]

If that's the case then the people taking it now clearly can't handle it. I couldn't give a fuck what people do, but it's having a massive effect.

That's the thing, take what you like,but fucking behave. Loads of people turn up hammered but still don't acy the twat

 

[steve101]

It has fuck all to do with coke you clown. 5 or 10 years ago there was just as much sniff being taken.

Cocaine use across the country has increased as has football violence so I think it is a reasonable comment to make. It sickens me seeing mindless violence.
There is some irony in your aggressive comment!

 

[Great_Expectations]

Away days used to be absolutely great, a real sense of Cov fans together, united etc. Great banter and a real sense of camaraderie.

These days it’s full of idiots wanting to fight not just the opposition but each other.

I’m sure coke has a big part to play, but now we’re successful (in a sense) you get the day trippers who are more bothered about a day on the beer and drugs than the actual team and fellow fans around them.

 

[pusbccfc]

There is but it’s so small you can easily jump it and it’s covered in netting

Same as at Reading to be fair.

 

[pusbccfc]

Away days used to be absolutely great, a real sense of Cov fans together, united etc. Great banter and a real sense of camaraderie.

These days it’s full of idiots wanting to fight not just the opposition but each other.

I’m sure coke has a big part to play, but now we’re successful (in a sense) you get the day trippers who are more bothered about a day on the beer and drugs than the actual team and fellow fans around them.

Away days have been good this season. I certainly prefer selling most away ends out than some of the shockers in League 1 with 6/700 there. Sometimes less.

 

[pusbccfc]

Nah. Everyone's responsible for their own behaviour.

You could say that about any crime that takes place.

Not a defence. An observation/reason why behaviour has been slightly worse.

Let's not also forget, we are averaging more away from home than any season since the turn of the millennium. Always going to have more idiots.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You could say that about any crime that takes place.

Not a defence. An observation/reason why behaviour has been slightly worse.

Let's not also forget, we are averaging more away from home than any season since the turn of the millennium. Always going to have more idiots.

The argument you've given in the song quote is the same as was used by the hooligans of decades past. Except for those with special reasons, the vast majority of people are fully responsible for how they act. Blaming wider society or the government is a cop out.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Away days have been good this season. I certainly prefer selling most away ends out than some of the shockers in League 1 with 6/700 there. Sometimes less.

There I completely agree.

 

[Grendel]

It has fuck all to do with coke you clown. 5 or 10 years ago there was just as much sniff being taken.

We aren’t talking the diet at your local Happy Shopper in Hillfields David

 

[chiefdave]

I mentioned on another thread last week, unfortunately as The Streets lyrics suggest: 'Geezers need excitement, if their lives don't provide them this, they incite violence'.

These lads are causing shite because of the world around them. A world where our PM breaks the rules, our own police officers break the rules and a world where we've just been locked down and forced to live depressive lives.

This isn't a return to 80s football hooliganism, it's anti-social behaviour.

While you and I might behave, others will always push the boundaries.

But why is it just football fans that can't behave? There seems to be this attitude that the rules don't apply to football fans.

When its a requirement for all fans to sit down they should be allowed to stand, when they have a ticket for a particular seat they can just ignore it and go where they like whether there's a seat free or not, they should be able to openly smoke dope and take coke, they can abuse other people attending and drop c-bombs in front of kids.

Its behaviour that absolutely wouldn't be tolerated at other events yet because its football we're supposed to just put up with it.

 

[clint van damme]

But why is it just football fans that can't behave? There seems to be this attitude that the rules don't apply to football fans.

When its a requirement for all fans to sit down they should be allowed to stand, when they have a ticket for a particular seat they can just ignore it and go where they like whether there's a seat free or not, they should be able to openly smoke dope and take coke, they can abuse other people attending and drop c-bombs in front of kids.

Its behaviour that absolutely wouldn't be tolerated at other events yet because its football we're supposed to just put up with it.

That's not true, It's happening at rugby, cricket and horse racing, don't buy into the narrative it's just football.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But why is it just football fans that can't behave? There seems to be this attitude that the rules don't apply to football fans.

When its a requirement for all fans to sit down they should be allowed to stand, when they have a ticket for a particular seat they can just ignore it and go where they like whether there's a seat free or not, they should be able to openly smoke dope and take coke, they can abuse other people attending and drop c-bombs in front of kids.

Its behaviour that absolutely wouldn't be tolerated at other events yet because its football we're supposed to just put up with it.

Well I mean a Welsh rugby fan vomited all over a child at one of the autumn internationals

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Hooliganism has always been "antisocial behaviour"....and it was WAY more antisocial in the 70s' 80s 90s and even naughties....



Dick head behaviour, however, has remained relatively constant throughout, with a notable spike in the madchester ladism inspired mid 90s and right about now, post lockdown......

And the lockdown Is defo a huge factor.. I've seen it in pubs, shops, on the roads, even saw it at the driving range this morning...dickhead behaviour is currently off the scale

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

That's not true, It's happening at rugby, cricket and horse racing, don't buy into the narrative it's just football.

Well said Clint. Beak is being openly consumed on nights out, in pubs and on public transport. It’s a societal issue rather than football specific.

I’m being forced to go to bongos bingo next week and I bet it will be full of it

 

[clint van damme]

Well said Clint. Beak is being openly consumed on nights out, in pubs and on public transport. It’s a societal issue rather than football specific.

I’m being forced to go to bongos bingo next week and I bet it will be full of it

Bring your lucky pen mate!

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

Bring your lucky pen mate!

I’m hopeless at bingo mate, need all the luck I can get!

 

[shmmeee]

Or how about not taking any drugs and just going and enjoying a game of football??? Mad idea I know

Can go with this, getting rid of all the people drinking pints in the concourse would make it a lot easier to get the the toilets at half time.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

Can go with this, getting rid of all the people drinking pints in the concourse would make it a lot easier to get the the toilets at half time.

I go with people that turn up ten minutes after kick off, go down to the concourse on 35 minutes and don’t return until 15 minutes after half time. I’d rather not miss any of the game.

 

[chiefdave]

That's not true, It's happening at rugby, cricket and horse racing, don't buy into the narrative it's just football.

Well I mean a Welsh rugby fan vomited all over a child at one of the autumn internationals

Well said Clint. Beak is being openly consumed on nights out, in pubs and on public transport. It’s a societal issue rather than football specific.

You've, I assume unintentionally, perfectly proven my point. There's a not insignificant element of football supporters who think this kind of behaviour is normal and acceptable.

Of course football isn't the only place there is trouble, that's never been the case. But it is the place making national news for a surge in incidents. Of course you're likely to encounter people high as a kite in niteclubs and see your fair share of trouble but generally people that aren't up for that won't be in nightclubs and there certainly won't be kids there getting called c**ts.

I'm not seeing open drug taking at the cricket for example, sure if you go in the party stand there will be a load of pissed up idiots but equally there's stands where they don't even serve alcohol. Try going to a concert at the NEC, planting yourself in someone else's seat and then when the steward comes to move you telling him you've got every right to sit wherever you want to.

Yes there are some ridiculous rules put in place by the safety group and IMO they aren't great at their jobs but when people can't keep to very simple, basic rules like sitting in the right seat and not doing coke while stood around in the concourse its hardly a shock that we get treated like second class citizens.

 

[chiefdave]

I go with people that turn up ten minutes after kick off, go down to the concourse on 35 minutes and don’t return until 15 minutes after half time. I’d rather not miss any of the game.

Ignoring the alcohol & drugs issues I've never understood this. A game is a couple of hours, how can people not go that long without spending on overpriced, poor quality food and drink. There's a family of 4 that sits in front of me and between them they must head down into the concourse at minimum 5 times a game for food and drink.

 

[JAM See]

I go with people that turn up ten minutes after kick off, go down to the concourse on 35 minutes and don’t return until 15 minutes after half time. I’d rather not miss any of the game.

There must be a load of people who missed our first two goals yesterday.

I like a drink as much as the next person, but there's plenty of time before and after the game.

 

[pusbccfc]

But why is it just football fans that can't behave? There seems to be this attitude that the rules don't apply to football fans.

When its a requirement for all fans to sit down they should be allowed to stand, when they have a ticket for a particular seat they can just ignore it and go where they like whether there's a seat free or not, they should be able to openly smoke dope and take coke, they can abuse other people attending and drop c-bombs in front of kids.

Its behaviour that absolutely wouldn't be tolerated at other events yet because its football we're supposed to just put up with it.

It's not generally. Behaviour across the country is worsening. As others have mentioned, rugby, cricket, horse racing, boxing have all had some horredous scenes in recent years. I'd actually argue that boxing and horse racing has seen far worse hooliganism and anti-social behaviour in the last 5-10 years. Knife/gang crime is high. I've seen a lot of issues in pubs and clubs in the past 6 months.

Football is the most popular sport in the world partly down to it's tribalism. If you banned swearing, standing etc, I'd guarantee you'd lose supporters. Too many overstep the mark with tribalism and of course use it for an excuse to misbehave.

I know it's a cop-out to compare, but hooliganism on the continent is as bad, if not worse than it was 40 years ago in the UK. Some of the images you see in France, Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Netherlands are something we've not seen in this country for many years.

 

[pusbccfc]

There must be a load of people who missed our first two goals yesterday.

I like a drink as much as the next person, but there's plenty of time before and after the game.

Major problem yesterday was the horredous concourse. People were stuck in queues for toilets for 15 minutes, let alone the bar.

 

[clint van damme]

You've, I assume unintentionally, perfectly proven my point. There's a not insignificant element of football supporters who think this kind of behaviour is normal and acceptable.

Of course football isn't the only place there is trouble, that's never been the case. But it is the place making national news for a surge in incidents. Of course you're likely to encounter people high as a kite in niteclubs and see your fair share of trouble but generally people that aren't up for that won't be in nightclubs and there certainly won't be kids there getting called c**ts.

I'm not seeing open drug taking at the cricket for example, sure if you go in the party stand there will be a load of pissed up idiots but equally there's stands where they don't even serve alcohol. Try going to a concert at the NEC, planting yourself in someone else's seat and then when the steward comes to move you telling him you've got every right to sit wherever you want to.

Yes there are some ridiculous rules put in place by the safety group and IMO they aren't great at their jobs but when people can't keep to very simple, basic rules like sitting in the right seat and not doing coke while stood around in the concourse its hardly a shock that we get treated like second class citizens.

It makes national news for a reason, it still doesn't mean its more of a significant problem at football.
We all know rhe house of commons is known for its drug taking,we all know number 10 can't keep to 'simple, basic rules', but hey, let's focus on football.
Its a society problem. Not just football.

 

[pusbccfc]

It makes national news for a reason, it still doesn't mean its more of a significant problem at football.
We all know rhe house of commons is known for its drug taking,we all know number 10 can't keep to 'simple, basic rules', but hey, let's focus on football.
Its a society problem. Not just football.

I'd argue it's more of a masculine problem than societal, but yes, I agree.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

You've, I assume unintentionally, perfectly proven my point. There's a not insignificant element of football supporters who think this kind of behaviour is normal and acceptable.

Of course football isn't the only place there is trouble, that's never been the case. But it is the place making national news for a surge in incidents. Of course you're likely to encounter people high as a kite in niteclubs and see your fair share of trouble but generally people that aren't up for that won't be in nightclubs and there certainly won't be kids there getting called c**ts.

I'm not seeing open drug taking at the cricket for example, sure if you go in the party stand there will be a load of pissed up idiots but equally there's stands where they don't even serve alcohol. Try going to a concert at the NEC, planting yourself in someone else's seat and then when the steward comes to move you telling him you've got every right to sit wherever you want to.

Yes there are some ridiculous rules put in place by the safety group and IMO they aren't great at their jobs but when people can't keep to very simple, basic rules like sitting in the right seat and not doing coke while stood around in the concourse its hardly a shock that we get treated like second class citizens.

Sure. Don’t think that I’m saying the conduct discussed on this thread is acceptable because it’s not. Trampling on kids, shouting fuck and c**t on repeat and throwing missiles - I hope the scrotes get what’s coming for them and they’re ragged out of the stadium by their ears. The best way is to keep challenging it.

There’s a picture of 4 blokes on social media covered in the blue smoke from a flare. Some find it funny but it’s not funny when you find out someone threw it at the Reading fans and it was thrown back hitting an elderly gent and the smoke spraying onto the 4 next to him.