skybluetony176
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Same thing isn’t? All woke means is you’re not an arsehole as far as I can tell. Certainly by the definition of woke that those who band it around as an insult use.
Same thing isn’t? All woke means is you’re not an arsehole as far as I can tell. Certainly by the definition of woke that those who band it around as an insult use.You sound like you can’t understand the difference between being woke and basic decency.
You sound like you can’t understand the difference between being woke and basic decency.
It's a madness. A racist and a rapist, yet some on here say they would still vote for him
That's not forgetting his "grab a woman by the pussy" comment too.
Disgusting excuse for a human being and that's not taking any political side.
I don't care who it is, I couldn't vote for anyone who was racist, a rapist and a misogynist too.
He ticks so many boxes. Unfortunately all of them are the wrong ones.
No I'm just a realist and have a low bar for politicians. Almost all of them are lying psychopaths that have committed all sorts of horrific acts.
I just don't feel the need to get hysterical about it.
Has @Otis ever had a similar meltdown about Biden and his disgusting behaviour over the years? Or does he ignore things like Bidens daughter accusing her father of having inappropriate showers with her? Exactly the same things can be laid at Bidens feet and worse (given Bidens love of war).
Maybe he has said similar about Biden and fair play if he has, but if people are going to ignore one side and get hysterical over the other then I'm just going to sit here and laugh at you.
Never been a fan of Biden.No I'm just a realist and have a low bar for politicians. Almost all of them are lying psychopaths that have committed all sorts of horrific acts.
I just don't feel the need to get hysterical about it.
Has @Otis ever had a similar meltdown about Biden and his disgusting behaviour over the years? Or does he ignore things like Bidens daughter accusing her father of having inappropriate showers with her? Exactly the same things can be laid at Bidens feet and worse (given Bidens love of war).
Maybe he has said similar about Biden and fair play if he has, but if people are going to ignore one side and get hysterical over the other then I'm just going to sit here and laugh at you.
82 million agree in that case.75 million disagree
Never been a fan of Biden.
Don't see how you can say he's worse though.
I honestly wouldn't vote for either of them, or anyone guilty of completely inappropriate behaviour.
I didn't know of the shower thing. First I have heard of it.
I only heard about that on here and relatively recently too.Getting into "who is worse" is subjective and there no point us hashing that out. What I would say is that for all his many fault (which I don't disagree he has - I'm not a trump supporter) trump didn't start new wars and has been pretty vocal against war. Whereas there's never been a war that Biden didn't like, he supported the bombing of Serbia, has played a key role in inflaming conflict in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Ukraine and many others.
Millions are dead because of the cabal that Biden is a part of.
Regarding showering with his daughter see:
Fact Check: Posts Claim Contents of 'Ashley Biden's Diary' Have Been Verified. Here Are the Facts
The existence of a diary and the authenticity of purported facsimiles of a diary are two entirely different questions.uk.news.yahoo.com
Even if you missed this surely you haven't missed his extremely creepy habit of touching, kissing and sniffing women and especially young girls?
Must be one of the most evil humans beings that has ever been elected in the western world since Adolf Hitler. Yet millions support him, which speaks volumes.It's a madness. A racist and a rapist, yet some on here say they would still vote for him
That's not forgetting his "grab a woman by the pussy" comment too.
Disgusting excuse for a human being and that's not taking any political side.
I don't care who it is, I couldn't vote for anyone who was racist, a rapist and a misogynist too.
He ticks so many boxes. Unfortunately all of them are the wrong ones.
I don't know about evil, but he's a horrible excuse for a human being.Must be one of the most evil humans beings that has ever been elected in the western world since Adolf Hitler. Yet millions support him, which speaks volumes.
I hope he meets with an end becoming of an arrogant, selfish, misogynistic animal .
I totaly agreeI don't know about evil, but he's a horrible excuse for a human being.
Okay, to add context Trump ordered cruise missile strikes in Syria, dropped the largest bomb in US history (aside from the nuclear bombs they dropped on Japan) on Afghanistan, ordered more troops to Afghanistan and softened the rules on what US troops in Afghanistan could and couldn’t attack. So the notion that he stopped wars is misplaced. That on top of him being a rapist, a misogamist, a racist and a crook.I totaly agree
But your missing the point.
Do you judge someone by what they say, or what they do.
Is it worse to be misogynistic and racist, or to bomb and kill women and children?
Do you want a president who stops wars, or one that supports genocide?
Ultimately (unfortunately) there's only 2 to choose from, so take your pick.
But the arguing on this forum just fuels the continuous division that deflects from the world's current issues.
You can add into that his escalation of tensions with Iran by assassinating officials on Iranian soil. If Putin used a drone to execute a British general in London I think we know how that would go down.Okay, to add context Trump ordered cruise missile strikes in Syria, dropped the largest bomb in US history (aside from the nuclear bombs they dropped on Japan) on Afghanistan, ordered more troops to Afghanistan and softened the rules on what US troops in Afghanistan could and couldn’t attack. So the notion that he stopped wars is misplaced. That on top of him being a rapist, a misogamist, a racist and a crook.
Okay, to add context Trump ordered cruise missile strikes in Syria, dropped the largest bomb in US history (aside from the nuclear bombs they dropped on Japan) on Afghanistan, ordered more troops to Afghanistan and softened the rules on what US troops in Afghanistan could and couldn’t attack. So the notion that he stopped wars is misplaced. That on top of him being a rapist, a misogamist, a racist and a crook.
Well just to add some more context, do you want the war in Ukraine to stop (bearing in mind that Ukraine can't and won't win) and the genocide in gaza to end, or do you want them to continue.Okay, to add context Trump ordered cruise missile strikes in Syria, dropped the largest bomb in US history (aside from the nuclear bombs they dropped on Japan) on Afghanistan, ordered more troops to Afghanistan and softened the rules on what US troops in Afghanistan could and couldn’t attack. So the notion that he stopped wars is misplaced. That on top of him being a rapist, a misogamist, a racist and a crook.
Trump would be far more supportive of Israel continuing ‘the war.’Well just to add some more context, do you want the war in Ukraine to stop (bearing in mind that Ukraine can't and won't win) and the genocide in gaza to end, or do you want them to continue.
That choice is simple, Trump stops them, Harris continues them.
Under the current regime, America needs continuous wars for its massive military contracts and subsequent corruption to continue. Trump (for all his manyfaults) is a threat to that.
Trump moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem to stick two fingers up to Palestinians which caused mass protests leading to the deaths of Palestinians. Trump and Netanyahu were rekindling their love affair yesterday. Harris snubbed Netanyahu yesterday.Well just to add some more context, do you want the war in Ukraine to stop (bearing in mind that Ukraine can't and won't win) and the genocide in gaza to end, or do you want them to continue.
That choice is simple, Trump stops them, Harris continues them.
Under the current regime, America needs continuous wars for its massive military contracts and subsequent corruption to continue. Trump (for all his manyfaults) is a threat to that.
The only person that can stop the war in Ukraine is the aggressor, Putin. Anyone who thinks Ukrainians are just going to sit back, let their country be occupied by Russia is living in cloud cuckoo land.
But the issue there is believing that that peace deal would have meant anything. It wouldn't. Putin would have been back a few years later looking to take more territory and the deaths would have continued.Anyone who think that Ukraine can win or should continue to fight until their population has all been dragged into vans and sent to the front to die with next to no training is also living in cuckoo land, and quite frankly evil.
We're it not for the encouragement, and false promises of the west, Ukraine wouldn't now be in this impossible situation. So yes, the west (usa) can put a stop to the war. Ukraine was set to agree to a peace deal back in March 2022 until the west intervened.
On gaza I completely agree actually - Trump will give Israel everything it wants and more.
The only people that ever claimed that an agreement had been reached was Russia, if you want to believe them knock yourself out but it’s a fool’s folly. They drafted a piece document that was never finalised and what really scuppered it was the uncovering of mass war crimes by Russia in Bucha.Anyone who think that Ukraine can win or should continue to fight until their population has all been dragged into vans and sent to the front to die with next to no training is also living in cuckoo land, and quite frankly evil.
We're it not for the encouragement, and false promises of the west, Ukraine wouldn't now be in this impossible situation. So yes, the west (usa) can put a stop to the war. Ukraine was set to agree to a peace deal back in March 2022 until the west intervened.
On gaza I completely agree actually - Trump will give Israel everything it wants and more.
That's absolutely not true.The only people that ever claimed that an agreement had been reached was Russia, if you want to believe them knock yourself out but it’s a fool’s folly. They drafted a piece document that was never finalised and what really scuppered it was the uncovering of mass war crimes by Russia in Bucha.
Again. If you want to swallow the Russian doctrine then knock yourself out. But it’s a fool’s errand.That's absolutely not true.
A peace agreement was offered by Russia quite early in the conflict. (At the time the massive column of armoured vehicles was halted, and didn't move for days)
Ukraine was ready to accept the terms. Until Borris Johnson convinced Zelensky that the west would support him unequivocally with all the military equipment needed to defeat Russia and push them out of Ukraine.
On the strength of that promise Ukraine rejected the peace deal.
What did the Turkey daft state in regards of who got what land, who could do future deals with who etc? Genuine question, not looking for any gotchas.Again. If you want to swallow the Russian doctrine then knock yourself out. But it’s a fool’s errand.
If you’re talking about the Dmitry Kozak negotiations it was actually Putin who scuppered it because it didn’t include the annex of all the territories Putin wanted.
The only agreement that ever came close was the one being negotiated in Turkey which even got as far as a draft document but when the extent of Russian war crimes that started being uncovered in April 2022 in Bucha Ukraine withdrew from negotiations due to public pressure in Ukraine.
Couldn’t tell you on the land without looking it up. IIRC there was an agreement that Ukraine wouldn’t join NATO so in reality all the concessions were on Ukraine, Russia wasn’t giving up anything. As I said when the genocide started being uncovered in Bucha along with other war crimes including mass rape, the illegal deportation of children to Russia etc. understandably the Ukrainian people lost faith in the process putting their government under pressure to withdraw, which they did. Any other version of events is Russian propaganda.What did the Turkey daft state in regards of who got what land, who could do future deals with who etc? Genuine question, not looking for any gotchas.
But the issue there is believing that that peace deal would have meant anything. It wouldn't. Putin would have been back a few years later looking to take more territory and the deaths would have continued.
The Ukrainians themselves have admitted this as well as the former Israeli PM who was acting as mediator in the negotiations. Listen to people like arestovich or anyone close to the Ukrainian delegation at the time.The only people that ever claimed that an agreement had been reached was Russia, if you want to believe them knock yourself out but it’s a fool’s folly. They drafted a piece document that was never finalised and what really scuppered it was the uncovering of mass war crimes by Russia in Bucha.
Wasn't there an 80 yr old ex MP murdered the other day , what was that about??
Wasn't there an 80 yr old ex MP murdered the other day , what was that about??
Yeah I'd found that out, just curious who'd have sanctioned it really?You mean in Ukraine? I think she was younger - she was well before the conflict wanting Russian language and cultures banned in Ukraine
Yeah I'd found that out, just curious who'd have sanctioned it really?
Don’t something like 40% of the population speak Russian as their first language?You mean in Ukraine? I think she was younger - she was well before the conflict wanting Russian language and cultures banned in Ukraine
Don’t something like 40% of the population speak Russian as their first language?
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