But the issue there is believing that that peace deal would have meant anything. It wouldn't. Putin would have been back a few years later looking to take more territory and the deaths would have continued.
I don't think so, but it's possible.
The only people that ever claimed that an agreement had been reached was Russia, if you want to believe them knock yourself out but it’s a fool’s folly. They drafted a piece document that was never finalised and what really scuppered it was the uncovering of mass war crimes by Russia in Bucha.
The Ukrainians themselves have admitted this as well as the former Israeli PM who was acting as mediator in the negotiations. Listen to people like arestovich or anyone close to the Ukrainian delegation at the time.
Ukraine murdered one of their own negotiators and walked away from the deal after Boris turned up. I'm sure that's just a total coincidence.
The Wall Street Journal reported on the content of the unpublished 2022 peace terms already back in March, but the NYT published the 17-page draft in full, verified by participants in the talks.
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Speaking of coincidences, I'm sure that Ukrainian militia units posting on the Internet about "going into bucha to remove collaborators" and photos of dead civilians found with Russian MREs scattered around them that they had been issued by the Russians is also just an odd coincidence?
I guess the Russians were feeding them and executing them at the same time for the fun of it? Maybe they were - I don't know. Also interesting to note is the amount of bodies wearing white tape round their arm as an identifier - what's that about?
Really, what does "clearing sabateurs and accomplices from Bucha sound like to you? I've seen hundreds of examples of how Ukraine treats "collaborators" and have no doubt about what this means.
Its very interesting, how the mayor of Bucha was interviewed after the Russian withdrawal and somehow forgot to mention the massacre and said nothing about mass graves and genodical behaviour from the Russians.
Russia definitely has committed war crimes (as has ukraine) and it wouldn't surprise me if a rogue unit went mad and had a My Lai moment. But there a lot of things that don't add up about Bucha and if you trust the ukraine authorities I've got a bridge in Galicia to sell you. This is the same government that brought us the Ghost of Kiev and a million other fantasies.
We were told that hundreds were systematically murdered, and the Bucha memorial does indeed have 590 names on it, yet the UN disagrees and puts it at between 70-150, and we know that many civilians in Bucha died as a result of shelling.
The pathologists, who are conducting postmortem analyses of bodies which were exhumed from mass graves in Bucha, found the darts - known as 'flechettes' - in the corpses' head and chest cavities.
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So how many were actually killed intentionally by the Russians?
How many were caught in crossfire or by shelling?
Did the Ukrainian authorities have any part in killing what they deemed saboteurs ?
Did the Zelensky regime amplify this event to conjur up support for the war? They certainly had motive.
What it needs is a thorough, impartial investigation, which unfortunately is never going to happen.
Accusing Russia of genocide is frankly ridiculous. If they wanted to kill mass amounts of Ukrainian civilians they could easily do it, and Ukraine would look like gaza. Civilian deaths in this conflict are currently around 11,000 (unusually low civilian to combatant death ratio), which when you consider how Israel has killed at least 10 times that in 1/4 of the time I would say Russia are pretty poor at genociding if that's what they are trying to do.
The good news is that almost half of Ukrainians do want to negotiate.
At the same time, a majority of respondents were also opposed to the current ceasefire conditions laid out by Russian President Vladimir Putin, which would entail the complete Ukrainian withdrawal from the four regions that are partially occupied by Russia.
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