torchomatic
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It's as if he did it because he knew everyone would kick off and JDV would churn out as much bile as he does.
The pick of JD Vance seems to be an enormous mistake on Trump’s part. That’s what you get for taking advice from Tucker Carlson and the Trump children I suppose.
For some context, Vance seems to be even more unpopular than Dan Quayle, which takes some doing.
He picked him because he wanted to show how someone who formerly criticised Trump is willing to be his lapdog now. As a VP pick it’s daft-from a state the Republicans will win anyway, and someone who if anything holds even more extreme views than Trump himself so will turn off the more moderate voters.It's as if he did it because he knew everyone would kick off and JDV would churn out as much bile as he does.
Yup, we can only hope that's the case.He picked him because he wanted to show how someone who formerly criticised Trump is willing to be his lapdog now. As a VP pick it’s daft-from a state the Republicans will win anyway, and someone who if anything holds even more extreme views than Trump himself so will turn off the more moderate voters.
If the Democrats can pick smartly there’s a decent chance they win.
Hoping that the governor of Minnesota is considered, he’s done some outstanding stuff there.Yup, we can only hope that's the case.
Hoping that the governor of Minnesota is considered, he’s done some outstanding stuff there.
I was discussing this with a colleague at work who is from the US and she stated the same. She said this really is one of the most important elections in recent years and a Trump victory could affect the country for decades. Frightening prospect.
The bumbling around getting Biden to eventually drop out seems to have worked in their favour. Trump assumed it was all in the bag and he could pick whoever he wanted and just coast to a win-but he should have planned for Biden quitting the race.I was discussing this with a colleague at work who is from the US and she stated the same. She said this really is one of the most important elections in recent years and a Trump victory could affect the country for decades. Frightening prospect.
Yeah, I'm sure just being "not insane" is a bonus.The bumbling around getting Biden to eventually drop out seems to have worked in their favour. Trump assumed it was all in the bag and he could pick whoever he wanted and just coast to a win-but he should have planned for Biden quitting the race.
That and the public doesn’t have much of an opinion about Kamala Harris, they just know she isn’t mentally ill or Donald Trump, which may be all that’s required. Had she been nominated from the start however, this might not have been the case.
In American politics in this day and age, it sure isYeah, I'm sure just being "not insane" is a bonus.
Actually more unpopular than Palin. An ego pick done without taking advice from outside of his sycophantic inner circle. Vance has little experience, not popular with many Republican politicians and closely associated with Project 2025 (which will become a major campaign issue). He's a weakness as his appeal is mainly with committed Republicans - could scare off moderates and swing voters.The pick of JD Vance seems to be an enormous mistake on Trump’s part. That’s what you get for taking advice from Tucker Carlson and the Trump children I suppose.
For some context, Vance seems to be even more unpopular than Dan Quayle, which takes some doing.
I oi not know much about him, NPR and CNN were worried when he was announced so that says a lot.
Not sure warmongering is the issue with Trump unless you mean US violence?Very different candidates, with polar opposite policies. Trump has basically had time to give his thoughts on the main issues. Harris has yet to let the voters know where she stands on the key issues of the Border, Ecomomy, foreign policy and crime. Those issues are the most important to the voters so it will be interesting to hear what her policies and solutions are to those issues.
Abortion and Supreme court could come into conversation at some point. But think Harris will struggle on supreme court and abortion Trump has given his opinion so no real drama to be had there. Harris will go after Trump by calling him a felon, a danger to democracy, right wing extremist, war mongering, rapist and a racist. That will be her debate platform. Trump will go after her record in office and if he does that she will not really have answers.
If Trump stays on policies he could win, if he goes into the trenches for a shit throwing contest he will lose. I just hope the people get to hear policy of both and its decided by a fair election who wins.
Kept saying that when it was Biden Vs Trump. Add in Harris & Vance and it's head scratching at best.US Population 330m
Say 200m eligible to be President
And this is what is on offer?
It's always been like that in my living memory.Both Biden & Harris were added as VPs for political reasons & to appeal to wider sections of the electorate rather than because they were the 2nd best choice for President in case something happened to the incumbent.
It has always been like that, ever since theIt's always been like that in my living memory.
What do you know about Harris? Is it what Trump has been feeding the GOP?Kept saying that when it was Biden Vs Trump. Add in Harris & Vance and it's head scratching at best.
American politics has fallen into the media/social media trap. More controversial you are - more coverage you get the more high profile you become - high profile must equal talent.
Both Biden & Harris were added as VPs for political reasons & to appeal to wider sections of the electorate rather than because they were the 2nd best choice for President in case something happened to the incumbent.
If Trump wins god forbid anything happens to him because Vance looks a nightmare.
Harris has been a historically unpopular VP - little on her resume to suggest she's fit for the top job. Fair bit of whistleblowing from within her own office as she struggles to hold onto key advisers - accusations of laziness etc.What do you know about Harris? Is it what Trump has been feeding the GOP?
Trump et al are dragging the US towards internal conflict.
Laziness, the well used narrative that will be proven wrong. The vice-president is supposed to shadow. Trump goes as far as to say they are irrelevant.Harris has been a historically unpopular VP - little on her resume to suggest she's fit for the top job. Fair bit of whistleblowing from within her own office as she struggles to hold onto key advisers - accusations of laziness etc.
Don't think anyone really listens to what Trump says about other candidates.
I'd argue it's the "extremes" of both parties that are dragging the US into internal conflict.
Don't necessarily disagree but the original thread was are these really the best 2 candidates either party can put up? Harris seemingly got there because senior Democrats wanted to focus immediately on Presidential election rather than get caught up in nomination process.Laziness, the well used narrative that will be proven wrong. The vice-president is supposed to shadow. Trump goes as far as to say they are irrelevant.
Ive never really considered the extreme Democrats. I guess the key areas for me are women’s rights and freedom of choice.
Do we vote for ourselves or the greater good?
if evangelical Christians followed the bible to the letter they would be screwed anyway.
I certainly don’t agree with all Democrat policy but for me it’s better than letting a mad man lead. Harris gives people the option to vote for anyone but Trump now.
Exactly. Harris's shortlist seems to be 4 white males.It's always been like that in my living memory.
Not sure warmongering is the issue with Trump unless you mean US violence?
He is clearly bad news for the US.They have accused him of everything since 2016 scaring the people that he would bring WW3... They have literally accused him of all including calling him Hitler up until he got shot weeks ago.
He is clearly bad news for the US.
Even his running mate compared him to Hitler tbf!They have accused him of everything since 2016 scaring the people that he would bring WW3... They have literally accused him of all including calling him Hitler up until he got shot weeks ago.
Even his running mate compared him to Hitler tbf!
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