It was rejected at the election BSB. Harris and Walz are progressives and not only did they lose the presidential vote, they lost the popular vote, the senate and the house. As the FT article/mayer were saying the democrats have tried to move further left and it hasn’t gone well. The U.S. is a centre right, conservative (small c) country
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It was rejected at the election BSB. Harris and Walz are progressives and not only did they lose the presidential vote, they lost the popular vote, the senate and the house. As the FT article/mayer were saying the democrats have tried to move further left and it hasn’t gone well. The U.S. is a centre right, conservative (small c) country
Will check that out ! I think if you go via FT page on X you can read the article. That’s how i read it anyway
Brighton Sky Blue
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Here is where we’re just going to have to disagree. When polled, the US electorate supports the progressive position on most policies, even healthcare. They just haven’t ever been offered them in a presidential election since the time of FDR and LBJ.
Worth looking at not just polling on these issues but also where they have been directly balloted upon at a state level. For example on the same day Florida voted for Trump by double digits, it also voted in favour of reversing the state’s abortion law changes.
The last point is that the Democrats typically run the economy better than Republicans, but the public will tend to believe the opposite. This election spelt that out clearly. Jon Stewart puts it better than I can:
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The Philosopher
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Walz?
You would have thought that they would have done a bit of background to make sure he didn’t have some skeleton in his closet, like, lie about military service.
The Dem selection process:
“Right, we’ve gone for a woman of colour so all the diversity boxes are checked. Need to try to get some of the undecided and Trump-lite votes in. Let’s get a guy in who lies about military service and who’s family support Trump.” I mean, that type of thinking doesn’t promote confidence, does it?
Brighton Sky Blue
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The highest ‘favourability’ rating of the 4 nominees and who passed free school meals for kids. Yeah, what a dick he is.
Should have picked the man who called Trump the American Hitler…
The Philosopher
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OMG man, Walz was a disaster.
Democrat think tank: “Walz is looking like a poor pick with his lying and whatnot. I know, let’s go and shoot some animals”
Clueless.
Yes, my initial thoughts about the Republican pick was that they had dropped the ball. Turns out Vance resonated with the women voters and “bro” voters alike.
Brighton Sky Blue
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You want to call out someone for being a liar when Trump is in the contest?
The Philosopher
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Pay attention man, I was calling out the Dem’s for lack of thought and vetting.
The Dem strategy was to continually attack Trump. The weak of mind just constantly calling him a “liar”.
It backfired.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Popular governor
Long list of good achievements
High likeability
It was a good pick, but VP picks don't really matter when it comes to elections. No vetting at all was done of JD 'How do I buy doughnuts?' Vance, to be clear. He was picked because Tucker and Elon asked Trump to do it.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Well, I guess they mainly did that because he's a liar.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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So what is this 'pragmatism' from the left?
Saying that immigration does put a strain on services and so we need to better manage the influx and get people processed more quickly, ideally with centres in countries they travel from?
Or agreeing there is a problem with crime and drugs, so let's get to the root of the problem, improve mental health services to prevent that becoming a crime and treating low level offenders with rehabilitation and opportunity so the problem doesn't escalate?
Or is pragmatism in your eyes agreeing with everything the right says, not matter how batshit crazy it is?
Brighton Sky Blue
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So in order to carry out this deportation of tens of millions of people, Trump is prepared to override the states’ rights he famously defended by denying women reproductive healthcare. The plan would be to summon national guard units from Republican states and send them into Democratic ones to enforce Trump’s will.
Still not a fascist though. Definitely not.
www.theatlantic.com
Still not a fascist though. Definitely not.
Trump’s ‘Knock on the Door’
The former president and his aides are formulating plans to deport millions of migrants.
Sky Blue Pete
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It won’t happen I can’t believe more than 30% of those voting for him believed it willSo in order to carry out this deportation of tens of millions of people, Trump is prepared to override the states’ rights he famously defended by denying women reproductive healthcare. The plan would be to summon national guard units from Republican states and send them into Democratic ones to enforce Trump’s will.
Still not a fascist though. Definitely not.
Trump’s ‘Knock on the Door’
The former president and his aides are formulating plans to deport millions of migrants.
Brighton Sky Blue
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So it quotes Miller saying something that Trump’s ‘deportation czar’ has now confirmed. Still it says something inconvenient so you go after the source rather than the content.
Democratic run states will not want this and Trump will use other states’ national guard to force it on them.
fernandopartridge
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Have you tried to get elected anywhere previously? If so, how did it go?
shmmeee
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The Philosopher
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Yes I have.
Runner up in a couple of Westminster elections, resurrected the SDP, wrote their manifesto and the policies that they now stand on and then was asked to join the governing Tory party. Opted not to stand when a / winnable safe seat in 2019 was available. (Thats how it works, it’s very rare you’re offered a winnable seat first or second time). I declined because I had a young family.
I was elected to Chair the regional Conservative Party federation in 2022 and am / was involved on Gov advisory boards / policy directives from 2017-2024.
So, no, I didn’t achieve being elected to Westminster at a time it might have worked for me. I may stand again in 2029 - not decided yet.
If your question was an immature dig, then that’s rather sad.
Clearly your political CV extends beyond being a rather boring keyboard warrior; let’s have it…..
tisza
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Texas and Florida account for a signicant % of illegals so they will be "easy" to start with. Wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to "encourage" illegals to flee to Democratic states and let them deal with the problem. New York already being complaining about their public services being overloaded by the influx of illegals shipped there by Republican states. Also Trump will probably cut off federal funding to sanctuary cities like he did last time.
Sky Blue Pete
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Reform in 2029? Genuinely interested
Brighton Sky Blue
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‘Illegals’? How about calling them people for a start
The Philosopher
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Nope. Staying with Conservatives for now.
The system doesn’t favour outsider parties and Reform isn’t structurally sound; it becomes infiltrated by bad actors which will halt progress. Besides, Tories and Labour will simply adapt Reform / Lib / Green positions should they need and nullify that way. See Boris 2019 for details.
tisza
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Not sure that's going to convince the new Govt
Brighton Sky Blue
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Nor am I going to be convinced by the hypocrisy of Mr ‘States’ Rights’ choosing to believe in them only when convenient.
The Philosopher
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They are of course people.
But they are illegal migrants or immigrants if they have not been granted refugee or owbdi status.
Someone comes into your home uninvited and without just cause then they are not a resident. They may be a guest should you choose but they are not a resident.
The leftist deception of saying things like “Trump will round upmigrants” is a deliberate stirring of disinformation.
There are legal immigrants, who have often worked hard to go through the right channels, been background checked or may even have gotten married to a US citizen. These are immigrants. Illegal immigrants who have no right to be in the US have (unless fleeing persecution) are not legal immigrants.
“Trump will round up migrants” is the type of false inflammatory language that creates division in society.
“Migrants”
Trump’s ‘Knock on the Door’
The former president and his aides are formulating plans to deport millions of migrants.
fernandopartridge
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No, I am a keyboard warrior and know my limitations, you should try it
Brighton Sky Blue
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To be clear, Trump has expressed a willingness to deport legal as well as illegal immigrants. The Haitians in Ohio he falsely accused of eating cats and dogs to be one such example.They are of course people.
But they are illegal migrants or immigrants if they have not been granted refugee or owbdi status.
Someone comes into your home uninvited and without just cause then they are not a resident. They may be a guest should you choose but they are not a resident.
The leftist deception of saying things like “Trump will round upmigrants” is a deliberate stirring of disinformation.
There are legal immigrants, who have often worked hard to go through the right channels, been background checked or may even have gotten married to a US citizen. These are immigrants. Illegal immigrants who have no right to be in the US have (unless fleeing persecution) are not legal immigrants.
“Trump will round up migrants” is the type of false inflammatory language that creates division in society.
“Migrants”
Trump’s ‘Knock on the Door’
The former president and his aides are formulating plans to deport millions of migrants.
More to the point, illegal immigrants commit crime at a measurably lower rate than ‘home’ born US citizens and perform much low paid work that the country needs but its people do not do. The country would be better off granting a path to citizenship instead of rounding them up.
You don’t like the term ‘rounding them up’? Maybe stop supporting the guy who wants to do just that.
Como
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Seems many of the Haitians in Springfield are moving.
Begs the question on what basis they immigrated.
Nobody knows what the true crime figures are, none knows how many illegals there are, they are after all undocumented.
Reminds me of a Progressive city that downgraded charges to Agricultural Trespass as that would not be sufficient to draw ICE attention, of course quite how that occurred was a mystery as this city had no Agricultural land.
Begs the question on what basis they immigrated.
Nobody knows what the true crime figures are, none knows how many illegals there are, they are after all undocumented.
Reminds me of a Progressive city that downgraded charges to Agricultural Trespass as that would not be sufficient to draw ICE attention, of course quite how that occurred was a mystery as this city had no Agricultural land.
Brighton Sky Blue
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You talk as though we don’t know why they immigrated. Daddy Trump tells you they eat pets so you believe it I guess.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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So you would have been part of the Boris Batshit intake? Makes sense.
And being involved in Tory policy 2017-2024 - not exactly something to be proud of.
Como
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I asked how they immigrated.
Brighton Sky Blue
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That is common knowledge
Sick Boy
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I thought it was the cat and dogs