shmmeee
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Bit like Brexit. Crash an economy and make money shorting it.
Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (32 Viewers)
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Bit like Brexit. Crash an economy and make money shorting it.
duffer
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Blimey mate, are you seriously saying that Zelenskyy instigated a war with Russia and then has been keeping it going just to get rich?
Nick
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No, I am saying how much money has he made?
Ukraine is right up there for corruption isn't it?
Again, I am sure they are all at it. Not sure why he comes out as a victim.
Brighton Sky Blue
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His country objectively is the victim in this conflict
Nick
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I'm talking about the individuals.
duffer
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He's a victim because tens of thousands of his fellow countrymen, including women and children are being killed by Russians. His country is being bombed day and night.
At the outbreak of the war they were literally sending death squads after him.
Is this is some attempt to say "they're all the same", or Ukraine deserves it because Zelenskyy's bent?
How much money has he made? Where are you getting your information from mate? Russia Today? Trump?
Fact check: Russian fake news targets Ukraine's Zelenskyy – DW – 02/23/2024
From lavish shopping sprees to luxury yachts, disinformation swirls around Ukraine's president. DW's Fact Check team investigates dubious claims that aim to weaken Western support for the country's ongoing war.
www.dw.com
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duffer
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The individuals who Russia would literally love to see dead or in a Gulag. Who choose to live in a city under constant threat of attack.
Those individuals, not victims? Sorry mate, it's a nonsense argument.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Indeed I do. Partly due to Putin making that the narrative over the last 25 years. Before that opinion of his was a bit more mixed.
But that's why I was talking about personalities. Gorbachev was more open and willing to negotiate, leaving him open to critcism. Putin will just double down and mercilessly destroy anyone that points out the inconsistencies and bullshit he comes out with.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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You do realise that calling people names if Trump's entire MO?
It's so sad - it's like watching you fanboy over Boris all over again only this time with even bigger consequences. I guess some people just never learn.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Well he's probably both.
But as many people suspected he goes into a room with Putin and comes out basically just repeating what Putin has told him. Once again he's being played like a fiddle because he's so easy to manipulate. Just be the last person in the room with him and tell him how great he is while putting forward your position and he will just go out and repeat it.
I imagine this is what Putin is doing right now.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Well let's bookmark it and come back to it in 5 years shall we?
Nick
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You have written a story based on the question and taken it miles off where you want it to, added a fair few assumptions in as well.
Otis
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He's a victim because tens of thousands of his fellow countrymen, including women and children are being killed by Russians. His country is being bombed day and night.
At the outbreak of the war they were literally sending death squads after him.
Is this is some attempt to say "they're all the same", or Ukraine deserves it because Zelenskyy's bent?
How much money has he made? Where are you getting your information from mate? Russia Today? Trump?
Fact check: Russian fake news targets Ukraine's Zelenskyy – DW – 02/23/2024
From lavish shopping sprees to luxury yachts, disinformation swirls around Ukraine's president. DW's Fact Check team investigates dubious claims that aim to weaken Western support for the country's ongoing war.
We have friends in Kyiv and they are literally being bombed every single night.
They say it's several times a day.
Obviously must be drones.
SkyBlueCharlie9
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You are falling for Putin and Trumps very transparent and weak attempts at propoganda through character assassination. How intelligent people fall for this fabricated sh!te I'll never know!. Russia, China, Trump, Farage etc. are all at it, and people swallow it. No excuses as plenty of proper balanced information available from reliable sources at touch of a button.
Grendel
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He and his chums are certainly not going to be as poor as the people he leaves behind when he leaves the country
Revealed: ‘anti-oligarch’ Ukrainian president’s offshore connections
Volodymyr Zelenskiy has railed against politicians hiding wealth offshore but failed to disclose links to BVI firm
He and his chums are certainly not going to be as poor as the people he leaves behind when he leaves the country
Revealed: ‘anti-oligarch’ Ukrainian president’s offshore connections
Volodymyr Zelenskiy has railed against politicians hiding wealth offshore but failed to disclose links to BVI firmwww.theguardian.com
President in being richer than citizens shocker, stop the press!!!!!!!!!!
It's literally the point you just made though.
And that company was set up in 2012, something to do with TV production, so it's nothing to do with profiteering from the war like you and Nick (and Putin) are suggesting.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I would accept this more if the current US President wasn’t indulging in fraud and corruption himself.
Grendel
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A strange argument. So if one does it they all can?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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No, but if you're going to use it to take the high stance as a reason to beat him and the Ukrainians with then you should at least acknowledge that the other side's President does it to a far far bigger degree.
It's like saying Dr Crippen was bad but Harold Shipman was ok.
SkyBlueCharlie9
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What is Putin going to sacrifice in any 'negotiations' ?
mmttww
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You got any mirrors in your house, m8?
mmttww
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Nick
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Funny thing is, my comment was that they are all looking after themselves as individuals first and foremost. The responses were essays completely unrelated to what I said.
Seems like people have to be either one end of the scale or the other, Trump and Putin nasty men so completely ignore the fact Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries about. Can't possibly be the case that they are all at it, looking after number 1.
Weird.
What on earth are you blabbering on about now?
If you try and put Zelensky on the same level as Putin then you're bound to get shit. And rightly so.
'Weird'.
Otis
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What it will be I think, will be that he will say, if you let us keep hold of the territory we have so far taken, we promise not to take any more.
You've said something stupid, been called out on it, then thrown your toys out the pram. Standard for you really.