Yes.
Did I?
Let's get him a union jack / stars and stripes half and half scarfDesperate stuff. Will you travel to London to get a glimpse of Keir and Donald together?
Time will tell but i'd not be at all surprised if his actions to date have been about getting Ukraine to sign this minerals deal in exchange for continued support, he just needed to demonstrate that he's got something for the US out of the situation. Very difficult to predict, perhaps an example of the 'Mad Man' approach in action.As we all do, I take everything that Trump says with more than a pinch of salt but interesting comment
Time will tell but i'd not be at all surprised if his actions to date have been about getting Ukraine to sign this minerals deal in exchange for continued support, he just needed to demonstrate that he's got something for the US out of the situation. Very difficult to predict, perhaps an example of the 'Mad Man' approach in action.
I don't rate Starmer as a leader, I don't like his policies and I don't think he's handled things well at home since the election.
but how is the outcome of that visit being spun as anything but positive and the result of some smart diplomacy and negotiating?
He's called out Vance's bullsh*t, got Trump rolling back on his dictator comment, and seems to have sorted the tariff b*llocks.
How do you get what you want from a vain narcissist? Appeal to his vanity. If that's a letter from Charlie, what's the issue?
I don't rate Starmer as a leader, I don't like his policies and I don't think he's handled things well at home since the election.
but how is the outcome of that visit being spun as anything but positive and the result of some smart diplomacy and negotiating?
He's called out Vance's bullsh*t, got Trump rolling back on his dictator comment, and seems to have sorted the tariff b*llocks.
How do you get what you want from a vain narcissist? Appeal to his vanity. If that's a letter from Charlie, what's the issue?
Ultimately it’ll come down to a choice between the US and the EU.I don't think many are spinning the outcome as anything other than positive for the UK but the reality is that Starmer only 'got' what Trump was happy to give him.
Starmer only 'got' what Trump was happy to give him.
It’s amazing that Trump’s word alone is now enough of a guarantee for some.
Did we need or want any more than that, though? Isn't this basically true of all diplomatic situations? If someone's got an example of a PM or President bowling up to another country, and grabbing a bunch of loot just through killer chat or 3D Chess threats, I'll stand corrected.
All Trump wants to do is get the uk and Europe split and trade promises is the way.
The pressure from the German car industry will build very quickly.He might want that, but it's not up to him. Making threats might get him what he wants. It might not. That's up to UK and EU leaders to figure out.
The pressure from the German car industry will build very quickly.
The pressure from the German car industry...
He might want that, but it's not up to him. Making threats might get him what he wants. It might not. That's up to UK and EU leaders to figure out.
Haha realpolitik, it's only been 2.5 years of the Ukraine warIt's absolutely nuts.
Some people clearly don't grasp basic diplomacy and realpolitik, and then wonder why their guys never get elected.
Haha realpolitik, it's only been 2.5 years of the Ukraine war
The state visit thing is a clever move. Plays perfectly into Trumps ego 'nobody has ever had two state visits'It's bizarre. Sounds like it went quite well by all accounts, really not sure what people were expecting to happen.
The state visit thing is a clever move. Plays perfectly into Trumps ego 'nobody has ever had two state visits'
Exactly. Just look at Trump's face as he opened it up.
It's like giving your kid a biscuit and patting them on the head. Played him like a fiddle, without him realising he's being played.
Has he actually been played though? He appears to be gettign whatever he wants. The fact that what he wants is probably no good for his country and/or the World generally is of no concern to him as far as i can tell. Acting like a massive pain in the arse seems to be achieving things for him and his crew, which i suppose is a bit easier when you're backed by the most powerful country on Earth.Exactly. Just look at Trump's face as he opened it up.
It's like giving your kid a biscuit and patting them on the head. Played him like a fiddle, without him realising he's being played.
Has he actually been played though? He appears to be gettign whatever he wants. The fact that what he wants is probably no good for his country and/or the World generally is of no concern to him as far as i can tell. Acting like a massive pain in the arse seems to be achieving things for him and his crew, which i suppose is a bit easier when you're backed by the most powerful country on Earth.
He's all over the place, which at times appears to be the plan. All just a distraction technique whilst the heist in the background plays out maybe? God knows, i certainly don't.Well he said no tariffs for the UK and rowed back on his Ukraine comments so it's a bit of give and take at least.
He's all over the place, which at times appears to be the plan. All just a distraction technique whilst the heist in the background plays out maybe? God knows, i certainly don't.
As we all do, I take everything that Trump says with more than a pinch of salt but interesting comment
And @PVA shows it as evidence Starmer is pulling his strings
Time will tell but i'd not be at all surprised if his actions to date have been about getting Ukraine to sign this minerals deal in exchange for continued support, he just needed to demonstrate that he's got something for the US out of the situation. Very difficult to predict, perhaps an example of the 'Mad Man' approach in action.
In military analyst circles, it was believed that even Trump would even escalate support for Ukraine if the Russians were seen to be negotiating in bad faith.
For all the crying people saying he’s in awe of Putin and giving everything he wants… Simply not true and the US strategists can obviously see that it’s not a good thing for Ukraine to capitulate.
Trump has an unorthodox way of diplomacy but given how the post-Cold War consensus is failing, that’s not a bad thing. Peace through strength is the doctrine that got Europe through the Cold War so the Trump administration calling out Europe for neglecting defence spending is bang on the money. This sentiment is equally true when Obama said similar things.
The problem was more that they lost faith after the infamous counteroffensive failed.I agree with a a lot of this and whilst I have plenty of reservations about Trump as an individual, am just letting it play out before judging. Who knows the end outcome at the moment. The fact is the previous status quo couldn’t continue ie everyone throwing billions at Ukraine, providing them with just enough to survive but not enough to win
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