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PVA

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US officials object to European push to buy weapons locally


Summary:

  • EU aims to boost local weapons industry, limiting U.S. participation
  • Rubio warns against excluding U.S. from EU defense procurements
  • Trump administration seeks open markets for U.S. arms makers
WASHINGTON/PARIS, April 2 (Reuters) - U.S. officials have told European allies they want them to keep buying American-made arms, amid recent moves by the European Union to limit U.S. manufacturers' participation in weapons tenders, five sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.


The messages delivered by Washington in recent weeks come as the EU takes steps to boost Europe's weapons industry, while potentially limiting purchases of certain types of U.S. arms.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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SkyBlueMatt said:
http://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8km3zg3kyoa

It's even better knowing that c*nt spent over $21million trying to literally buy the election. Expect some toys to be thrown out.
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So what do we think they playbook will be?

First, he'll say it was rigged and the result is invalid.
Then he'll go after the actual judge, claiming they're unqualified or crooked in some way
Then he'll go after the state, removing federal help while claiming it's because of the dem's/lib's they're getting nothing.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I have been wondering if he'd try it.

Nailed on that he'll call those that do traitors, low intelligence and 'bad people'
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US scientists, if they want to continue working in science, will end up having to emigrate simply because Trump and Musk eliminated so many jobs in it and cut the funding pretty drastically. Lots more people now competing for a much smaller funding pot.

Would be a good time for the UK to poach a lot of scientific talent.
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So what do we think they playbook will be?

First, he'll say it was rigged and the result is invalid.
Then he'll go after the actual judge, claiming they're unqualified or crooked in some way
Then he'll go after the state, removing federal help while claiming it's because of the dem's/lib's they're getting nothing.
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They are already making up some nonsense about 'Voter ID' when if they actually spend 10 seconds on Google. You'll find that it has been a requirement since 2016.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
US scientists, if they want to continue working in science, will end up having to emigrate simply because Trump and Musk eliminated so many jobs in it and cut the funding pretty drastically. Lots more people now competing for a much smaller funding pot.

Would be a good time for the UK to poach a lot of scientific talent.
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The difference in salaries would make me surprised if we saw this on any great scale.

If there is one thing the US is good for, it's that in many fields they pay very, very well. The UK is a joke when it comes to paying people what they deserve.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The difference in salaries would make me surprised if we saw this on any great scale.

If there is one thing the US is good for, it's that in many fields they pay very, very well. The UK is a joke when it comes to paying people what they deserve.
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Yes it would require us to actually pay scientists what they deserve. The most I could expect to earn as a process chemist was £50k. Not really a reflection of the skill or technical knowledge it requires.
 
shmmeee

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes it would require us to actually pay scientists what they deserve. The most I could expect to earn as a process chemist was £50k. Not really a reflection of the skill or technical knowledge it requires.
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It’s all chicken and egg isn’t it? Can’t have high wages cos our economy is shit, can’t improve the economy because we can’t attract talent. Would be a good time to start trying to steal some of that talent.
 
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shmmeee said:
It’s all chicken and egg isn’t it? Can’t have high wages cos our economy is shit, can’t improve the economy because we can’t attract talent. Would be a good time to start trying to steal some of that talent.
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In general our funding of science research is pitiful which is why Canada and the EU are the likely destinations for these people. Wouldn’t take much to draw them here.
 
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wingy

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shmmeee said:
It’s all chicken and egg isn’t it? Can’t have high wages cos our economy is shit, can’t improve the economy because we can’t attract talent. Would be a good time to start trying to steal some of that talent.
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Depends on the leadership of this nation.
Having someone pragmatic isn't cutting it for me currently.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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shmmeee said:
It’s all chicken and egg isn’t it? Can’t have high wages cos our economy is shit, can’t improve the economy because we can’t attract talent. Would be a good time to start trying to steal some of that talent.
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Can't pay high wages cos it'll cause inflation, innit. And that's more important.
 
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PVA

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I didn't think it would take long, though I didn't expect it to be this quick:

President Donald Trump has told his inner circle, including members of his Cabinet, that Elon Musk will be stepping back in the coming weeks from his current role as governing partner, ubiquitous cheerleader and Washington hatchet man.

The president remains pleased with Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency initiative but both men have decided in recent days that it will soon be time for Musk to return to his businesses and take on a supporting role, according to three Trump insiders who were granted anonymity to describe the evolving relationship.
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Mucca Mad Boys

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If Trump’s tariffs are long standing, it might actually turn out to be the biggest Brexit dividend. Particularly if we secure a trade deal.

It puts the UK in a unique position to potentially attract US and EU companies to set up in the UK to avoid the other’s retaliatory tariff regimes.

It’s too soon to say either way, mind you.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
If Trump’s tariffs are long standing, it might actually turn out to be the biggest Brexit dividend. Particularly if we secure a trade deal.

It puts the UK in a unique position to potentially attract US and EU companies to set up in the UK to avoid the other’s retaliatory tariff regimes.

It’s too soon to say either way, mind you.
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20% on EU.
10% on UK.

Brexit is very divisive. No one can argue this isn't a benifit though. Hopefully it can start paying off. Looking forward to the meltdown and laughing emojis!
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
20% on EU.
10% on UK.

Brexit is very divisive. No one can argue this isn't a benifit though. Hopefully it can start paying off. Looking forward to the meltdown and laughing emojis!
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Preface: I was a Remainer and advocate for a 2nd referendum.

Brexit has happened and we’re 5 years into a project that’s readjusting from a 50 year status quo. A few people on here and social media think rejoining is this magic thing that will cure Britain’s ills. It’s not and if it was, why are all the major EU economies suffering from more or less the same issues as us?

Tangent aside and back to the point you made, we’re in a position to take advantage of emerging markets with CPTPP and a USA trade agreement would be significant too so the long term outlook for the UK, from an international trade perspective could be quite positive. There are obviously other issues we need to address as a country, mind you.

The governments economic policy should really look to incentivise foreign investment, manufacturing and offer a corporation tax in line with (or lower) than Ireland so companies base themselves here rather than the EU. Not that I’d expect a Labour government to do these things…
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
If Trump’s tariffs are long standing, it might actually turn out to be the biggest Brexit dividend. Particularly if we secure a trade deal.

It puts the UK in a unique position to potentially attract US and EU companies to set up in the UK to avoid the other’s retaliatory tariff regimes.

It’s too soon to say either way, mind you.
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But the way Trump is you can't guarantee that situation won't change. He may wake up tomorrow and decide to slap tariffs on us as well.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But the way Trump is you can't guarantee that situation won't change. He may wake up tomorrow and decide to slap tariffs on us as well.
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Unlikely because Trump has set the stall out. The new package of duties are half what other 3rd countries charge the US. That suggests that these new rates are an opening gambit; drop your tariffs on us and we’ll follow suit and if you don’t, we’ll ratchet the duty rates higher.

Pragmatically, the new tariffs are far from ideal but UK is in a relatively good position to negotiate lower tariff rates.

The UK and US has a reasonably balanced trade relationship whereas the EU arguably enjoyed a competitive advantage over the US because they slapped heftier tariffs on the US than vice versa. Same with India and Canada.

The bigger geopolitical consideration is of course China who is dominating the west in global manufacturing areas such as; steel/aluminium, ship building, EVs, consumer goods and so on. This is something that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
 
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