Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (5 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

His role in relation to Israel has been terrible.

Internally he has probably been quite effective, certainly in relation to the economy. But I can't forgive what he has enabled the Israelis to do in Gaza.

Still infinitely better than the alternative.

In fairness to him Israel's influence in America is far greater than just the president

 

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[Deleted member 9744]

It's bad for his campaign though, yes it will fire up his base but the actual people he needs to vote for him are independent moderates and this is likely to turn a large number off of that.

People forget he needs normal people to vote for him as well.

Could you be normal and vote for Trump?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Where are you getting these economic facts from?

Wages for the lowest paid are rising faster than any other group:

The lowest-paid U.S. workers are seeing their wages surge faster than any other group of earners

www.morningstar.com

Inflation is at 3.4% which is fairly normal for developed economies right now.

US inflation at 3.4% in April, dropping slightly from previous month | Business | The Guardian

Policymakers have been surprised by stubborn price growth, which they hoped to bring down to 2%, in recent months

amp.theguardian.com

House prices are high like all the anglophone nations, but the US economy generally is in a much better place than most developed economies post covid.

Steve is predisposed to seeing deficit spending and claiming that it brings all these terrible things.

 

[Otis]

The most innocent man the world has ever seen.

That DOES sometimes happen though, in bigly cases.

 

[David O'Day]

Could you be normal and vote for Trump?

they did in 2016

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Will be interesting to see how Republicans respond. Will they back their countries judicial system or a individual who clearly only has his own interests at heart.

If the majority back Trump they're effectively declaring war on their country as well as turning it into an international joke.

 

[Skybluekyle]

Will be interesting to see how Republicans respond. Will they back their countries judicial system or a individual who clearly only has his own interests at heart.

If the majority back Trump they're effectively declaring war on their country as well as turning it into an international joke.

The problem with the US judicial system is, from a political standpoint, it is widely open to political abuse. Look at their Supreme Court, the positions are appointed based on politics, and they can interpret the US constitution at a federal level!

I'll give the UK's uncodified constitution one thing, it at least means the legislative is sovereign and even the Supreme Court cannot interfere with Acts passed by it. The US system is a joke (obviously I'm not commenting on this specific topic, I think Trump and his supporters are nutjobs, just the system).

 

[Flying Fokker]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-69069142

 

[clint van damme]

Thinking of Vladimir Putin at this difficult time

 

[Sick Boy]

If Trump doesn’t win the election and gets found guilty in any of his other trials, he’ll be in big trouble as he’ll have previous convictions, which will ramp up sentencing guidelines.

 

[ajsccfc]

I expect the people who supported the ruling of the legal system when that Rittenhouse twat walked free are going to respect the decision here with the same gusto.

 

[tisza]

Guilty. Surprise is Trump's team couldn't get one supporter on the jury to hang the verdict. Will it change much? So many Americans are entrenched in their positions probably not. It's justice to the Democrats, it's a politically motivated fix to the Republicans. My point remains are Biden & Trump really the best 2 candidates a nation of over 330 million people can produce??? Also anti-american leaderships across the world are laughing it up as how can a potential US president with a criminal conviction " lead" the free world and dictate morality to others?

 

[clint van damme]

Guilty. Surprise is Trump's team couldn't get one supporter on the jury to hang the verdict. Will it change much? So many Americans are entrenched in their positions probably not. It's justice to the Democrats, it's a politically motivated fix to the Republicans. My point remains are Biden & Trump really the best 2 candidates a nation of over 330 million people can produce??? Also anti-american leaderships across the world are laughing it up as how can a potential US president with a criminal conviction " lead" the free world and dictate morality to others?

Americas done. Won't happen in my lifetime but every empire has crumbled and the same will happen to the States.

 

[Otis]

Americas done. Won't happen in my lifetime but every empire has crumbled and the same will happen to the States.

Gilead awaits

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Guilty. Surprise is Trump's team couldn't get one supporter on the jury to hang the verdict. Will it change much? So many Americans are entrenched in their positions probably not. It's justice to the Democrats, it's a politically motivated fix to the Republicans. My point remains are Biden & Trump really the best 2 candidates a nation of over 330 million people can produce??? Also anti-american leaderships across the world are laughing it up as how can a potential US president with a criminal conviction " lead" the free world and dictate morality to others?

Both Britain and the US have found very quickly the price paid for believing right wing charlatans. Though even the Americans seemed to learn more quickly

 

[Sick Boy]

Both Britain and the US have found very quickly the price paid for believing right wing charlatans. Though even the Americans seemed to learn more quickly

He’s still got a very good chance of being voted back in.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He’s still got a very good chance of being voted back in.

That’s not really worth thinking about.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Will be interesting to see how Republicans respond. Will they back their countries judicial system or a individual who clearly only has his own interests at heart.

If the majority back Trump they're effectively declaring war on their country as well as turning it into an international joke.

No, they’ll react by vindictively trying to prosecute Democrats whenever and wherever they get the chance.

Put aside any personal feelings towards Trump and this is a truly worrying precedent to set. A can of worms has been opened.

The political environment is far more polarised in the USA and something like this can get rapidly ugly.

Unrest in the USA is something the world really doesn’t need.

 

[skybluetony176]

No, they’ll react by vindictively trying to prosecute Democrats whenever and wherever they get the chance.

They already are. Their house inquiry into whether there’s a case to answer to impeach Biden over Hunter Bidens business dealings is a joke. They’ve got no intention of impeaching Biden. They just keep dragging the enquiry out as a political stunt. The democrats on the committee keep tabling a motion to impeach after hearing dozens of witnesses called by the republicans over a course of months but the republicans won’t vote for it, they just keep inventing new witnesses going over the same stuff getting the same answers. They originally insisted that Hunter Biden gave his evidence in public which he agreed too, by the time they got to him it was clear even to them that they were pissing in the wind and there’s no case to answer for so they then insisted that it was behind closed doors so they could try and control the agenda while briefing the media after his testimony and it still backfired on them. It’s an absolute joke and the other issue is while they’re pursuing an actual witch hunt they’re not getting on with doing government business.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

They already are. Their house inquiry into whether there’s a case to answer to impeach Biden over Hunter Bidens business dealings is a joke. They’ve got no intention of impeaching Biden. They just keep dragging the enquiry out as a political stunt. The democrats on the committee keep tabling a motion to impeach after hearing dozens of witnesses called by the republicans over a course of months but the republicans won’t vote for it, they just keep inventing new witnesses going over the same stuff getting the same answers. They originally insisted that Hunter Biden gave his evidence in public which he agreed too, by the time they got to him it was clear even to them that they were pissing in the wind and there’s no case to answer for so they then insisted that it was behind closed doors so they could try and control the agenda while briefing the media after his testimony and it still backfired on them. It’s an absolute joke and the other issue is while they’re pursuing an actual witch hunt they’re not getting on with doing government business.

Exactly - it’s not a good either way.

I don’t think they should’ve went after Trump, especially in an election year and likewise with Hunter Biden.

Both sides of the political spectrum have accused the other of ‘stealing’ the elections in 2016 and 2020. It undermines and polarises the political system and that’s not healthy.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Exactly - it’s not a good either way.

I don’t think they should’ve went after Trump, especially in an election year and likewise with Hunter Biden.

Both sides of the political spectrum have accused the other of ‘stealing’ the elections in 2016 and 2020. It undermines and polarises the political system and that’s not healthy.

Except we have actual evidence of Trump trying to manipulate the vote in 2020. It’s astonishing that he’s been allowed to stand again.

 

[clint van damme]

No, they’ll react by vindictively trying to prosecute Democrats whenever and wherever they get the chance.

Put aside any personal feelings towards Trump and this is a truly worrying precedent to set. A can of worms has been opened.

The political environment is far more polarised in the USA and something like this can get rapidly ugly.

Unrest in the USA is something the world really doesn’t need.

So let him commit crimes with impunity?

 

[Otis]

No, they’ll react by vindictively trying to prosecute Democrats whenever and wherever they get the chance.

Put aside any personal feelings towards Trump and this is a truly worrying precedent to set. A can of worms has been opened.

The political environment is far more polarised in the USA and something like this can get rapidly ugly.

Unrest in the USA is something the world really doesn’t need.

Indeed not. Would definitely help empower Russia and China and North Korea.

 

[ajsccfc]

Put aside any personal feelings towards Trump and this is a truly worrying precedent to set. A can of worms has been opened.

It feels like this is what should happen, crime gets punished* regardless of status



* in as much that he'll just be called a felon but go about his life unchanged

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Exactly - it’s not a good either way.

I don’t think they should’ve went after Trump, especially in an election year and likewise with Hunter Biden.

Both sides of the political spectrum have accused the other of ‘stealing’ the elections in 2016 and 2020. It undermines and polarises the political system and that’s not healthy.

So you think they shouldn't uphold the law because of the politics? You think Trump should be above the law? How far does this go? Should it apply to vice Presidents? Senators?

Only prosecute the small people eh?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

So let him commit crimes with impunity?

With impunity…

I’m sure you’d take a different view if this happened to the Democrat presumptive presidential nominee under a Republican administration.

Trump joked that he’d send Clinton to jail before the 2016 election, he didn’t try to prosecute the Clintons.

The cat is out the bag and the other team will play tit for tat when they get their chance. It undermines the democratic process.

 

[clint van damme]

So you think they shouldn't uphold the law because of the politics? You think Trump should be above the law? How far does this go? Should it apply to vice Presidents? Senators?

Felons can't vote in many States, but they can run for president, crazy.

 

[clint van damme]

With impunity…

I’m sure you’d take a different view if this happened to the Democrat presumptive presidential nominee under a Republican administration.

Trump joked that he’d send Clinton to jail before the 2016 election, he didn’t try to prosecute the Clintons.

The cat is out the bag and the other team will play tit for tat when they get their chance. It undermines the democratic process.

I don't care if its a democrat or not.
You shouldn't be exempt from criminal prosecution because of your status.
what way is that to promote law and order.

Trump never sent Clinton to jail because he had nothing on her, if he had, he would of, and she'd have deserved it, probably does anyway!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

So you think they shouldn't uphold the law because of the politics? You think Trump should be above the law? How far does this go? Should it apply to vice Presidents? Senators?

Only prosecute the small people eh?

Do you think Republican/Trump supporters will view things that way? They roughly make up half of the electorate.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Do you think Republican/Trump supporters will view things that way? They roughly make up half of the electorate.

I don’t care what Trump supporters think. I believe in the rule of law and being rich or famous shouldn't be a get out.

Your suggestion basically leads to mob rule.

Seriously what level of politician or wealth do you suggest you need to be to be exempt from the law?

 

[skybluetony176]

Exactly - it’s not a good either way.

I don’t think they should’ve went after Trump, especially in an election year and likewise with Hunter Biden.

Both sides of the political spectrum have accused the other of ‘stealing’ the elections in 2016 and 2020. It undermines and polarises the political system and that’s not healthy.

Trump’s just been found guilty of breaking the law on 34 counts. He shouldn’t be above the law. He should be accountable to the law like everyone else.

Same for Hunter Biden. Although you’re missing the point. That’s not what the house republicans are trying to do. They’re not trying to impeach Hunter Biden they‘re trying (and succeeding among certain demographics) to say Joe Biden was in on it. They can’t even provide evidence that there might be evidence to have an impeachment trial against Joe Biden. Literally every witness that they’ve provided when cross questioned by the democrats on the committee get asked the same question. Do you have any evidence or any reason to believe that Joe Biden was involved in Hunter Bidens business dealings in any way. The answer is always a firm no. This has been going on for months. The republicans haven’t got grounds to call for an investigation so just keep the charade going. Which is why the democrats on the committee keep calling for republicans bluff by calling for move to impeach. The only thing that the republicans have proven is that there’s even less reason to assume that Joe Biden was involved in Hunter Bidens business dealings. You should watch some of the coverage, it’s hilarious and beyond ridiculous.

 

[fatso]

I don’t care what Trump supporters think. I believe in the rule of law and being rich or famous shouldn't be a get out.

Your suggestion basically leads to mob rule.

Seriously what level of politician or wealth do you suggest you need to be to be exempt from the law?

The Law has been made a mockery of in this case though.
Law has been weaponised to stand in the way of a democratic process.
There was absolutely no way that due process was followed in this case.
Even the biggest Trump haters would have to admit that this case was a farce.

Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton must be pissing themselves.
(And Tony Blair here in the UK)

 

[skybluetony176]

With impunity…

I’m sure you’d take a different view if this happened to the Democrat presumptive presidential nominee under a Republican administration.

Trump joked that he’d send Clinton to jail before the 2016 election, he didn’t try to prosecute the Clintons.

The cat is out the bag and the other team will play tit for tat when they get their chance. It undermines the democratic process.

Are you really suggesting that Trump didn’t prosecute the Clintons out of principle? You can’t really be that stupid. If Trump thought that he could have he would have. He’s a vindictive petty little man. Do you think that the ridiculous attempt by MAGA house republicans to impeach Joe Biden isn’t being done by request of Trump? He’s actively getting them to vote against democratic bills with the intent on damaging government and by extension the country. Just look at the bill for the Ukraine aid package.

 

[skybluetony176]

The Law has been made a mockery of in this case though.
Law has been weaponised to stand in the way of a democratic process.
There was absolutely no way that due process was followed in this case.
Even the biggest Trump haters would have to admit that this case was a farce.

Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton must be pissing themselves.
(And Tony Blair here in the UK)

Only problem is he did it.

Also if the state of New York didn’t prosecute by ignoring the very clear weight of evidence against him wouldn’t they have been interfering in a democratic process by behaving favourably to Trump? Clearly they would have, that door swings both ways.

So if you’re someone who’s job it is to uphold the law and you’re faced with the decision of either prosecute and risk being accused of interfering in an election to the benefit of one political party or not prosecute and being accused of interfering in an election to the benefit of the other political party you’re only left with one option. Make that decision based on the law, which is what they did, not out of fear but because quite simply that’s their job.

 

[Flying Fokker]

The Law has been made a mockery of in this case though.
Law has been weaponised to stand in the way of a democratic process.
There was absolutely no way that due process was followed in this case.
Even the biggest Trump haters would have to admit that this case was a farce.

Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton must be pissing themselves.
(And Tony Blair here in the UK)

The guy is a crook. Narcissist and bell-end. He’s trying to create a dynasty/dictatorship.

His politics is playground level and Republicans have no mettle to field a candidate to oppose this brand of government. His running down of the US and its people is abhorrent.

Biden…oh dear. I can see him being withdrawn before the election due to health reasons.