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[clint van damme]

The average American watching it won't have cared as much about that as they'll have seen Biden look like he belongs in a hospital and thereby be almost literally unfit to govern.

I agree, but let's not pretend those who are against Trump base ot on some shallow politics of envy bollocks.
Everyone who stands for POTUS is extremely wealthy so you'll be backing a rich person whoever you're behind.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree, but let's not pretend those who are against Trump base ot on some shallow politics of envy bollocks.
Everyone who stands for POTUS is extremely wealthy so you'll be backing a rich person whoever you're behind.

This is also true. Biden's performance however was frighteningly poor, probably the worst presidential debate from any candidate this century.

 

[clint van damme]

This is also true. Biden's performance however was frighteningly poor, probably the worst presidential debate from any candidate this century.

It's impossible to disagree.
and Trump is often incoherent but compared to Biden ther other night he was like Martin Luther King.
I still don't think Biden will stand aside, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Nonsense.
Trump was fact checked after the debate and every answer he gave was found to have contained a lie.
He was involved in an attempt to over throw democracy and he has felony convictions and a civil convictionfor rape.
He has also surrounded himself with numerous felons, Manafort, (look what he got charged with), Bannon, Cohen to name 3.

If you're OK with that, fine, but don't try and make out the objections to himare based on anything else.

Ok Clint, I'll bite.
We currently spend about 3 months of the year in the US. We hope ultimately to have dual citizenship.
If I were able to vote in November I'd vote for the right of centre option, just as I do in the UK.
So I'd vote Trump.

 

[shmmeee]

I

I'm sure an awful lot of people would vote for Andrew Tate too.

When I asked my US friend, in Houston, why, she just said "Americans are idiots."

She hates the way the country is going

Yeah my friend in Kentucky says the same.

The logic of a handful on here is that if you're anywhere right of centre you're an idiot and a very bad person.
I find it entertaining.

Oh and if you've made any kind of a success of your life you're a liar.

It's great.

Awkward…

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's impossible to disagree.
and Trump is often incoherent but compared to Biden ther other night he was like Martin Luther King.
I still don't think Biden will stand aside, I hope I'm wrong.

It will need party grandees who he trusts to convince him-Obama himself might be the man to persuade him he needs to let someone else fight this election, not sure who else could do so.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ok Clint, I'll bite.
We currently spend about 3 months of the year in the US. We hope ultimately to have dual citizenship.
If I were able to vote in November I'd vote for the right of centre option, just as I do in the UK.
So I'd vote Trump.

The Democrats are centre-right by UK standards, the Republicans far right. You should be voting Democrat.

 

[shmmeee]

It will need party grandees who he trusts to convince him-Obama himself might be the man to persuade him he needs to let someone else fight this election, not sure who else could do so.

Genuine Q: if he stepped down now would that not leave him open to the 25th as he’s admitting he’s not capable? I don’t think it does as he’s a capable president clearly but not a capable candidate, but I can see the argument.

 

[clint van damme]

Ok Clint, I'll bite.
We currently spend about 3 months of the year in the US. We hope ultimately to have dual citizenship.
If I were able to vote in November I'd vote for the right of centre option, just as I do in the UK.
So I'd vote Trump.

That's not really a bite, you've just expressed your voting preference.
If you're OK with the things I've mentioned, or are prepared to overlook them, then great, but trying to make out they're not the reasons that those of us who don't like Trump don't like him and its because of some sort of envy because is nonsense.

 

[Otis]

The logic of a handful on here is that if you're anywhere right of centre you're an idiot and a very bad person.
I find it entertaining.

Oh and if you've made any kind of a success of your life you're a liar.

It's great.

Trump IS an idiot though, no matter which side of the divide you stand.
Wanting to inject people with bleach, asking if he could buy Greenland . Saying that you needed ID to go out and buy cereal, saying George Washington's army took over airports...
And that's not even touching the surface.

Nothing to do with whether you are right wing, or left wing, the guy is absolute basket case.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Genuine Q: if he stepped down now would that not leave him open to the 25th as he’s admitting he’s not capable? I don’t think it does as he’s a capable president clearly but not a capable candidate, but I can see the argument.

No, because he can withdraw from the Democrat nomination for whatever reason he likes. Officially that is done at the convention and he could cancel his re-election efforts at any point till then.

LBJ did so in the late 60s

 

[SIR ERNIE]

but trying to make out they're not the reasons that those of us who don't like Trump don't like him and its because of some sort of envy because is nonsense.

I didn't say that though.
I said that there's a tendency to label people on the right idiots and bad.

I can fully see why anyone would detest Trump for any of a hundred reasons.

 

[clint van damme]

The Democrats are centre-right by UK standards, the Republicans far right. You should be voting Democrat.

Yeah, not sure many centre right politicians would have Steve Bannon involved in their campaign or dine with Nick Fuentes.

 

[clint van damme]

I didn't say that though.
I said that there's a tendency to label people on the right idiots and bad.

I can fully see why anyone would detest Trump for any of a hundred reasons.

Fair enough.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Ok Clint, I'll bite.
We currently spend about 3 months of the year in the US. We hope ultimately to have dual citizenship.
If I were able to vote in November I'd vote for the right of centre option, just as I do in the UK.
So I'd vote Trump.

So what is it that appeals to you about Trump?

 

[shmmeee]

No, because he can withdraw from the Democrat nomination for whatever reason he likes. Officially that is done at the convention and he could cancel his re-election efforts at any point till then.

LBJ did so in the late 60s

Fair. I think he needs to go for Harris or Newsome (frankly I like Buttigeig).

 

[shmmeee]

So what is it that appeals to you about Trump?

Only senile Trump TBF, young Trump was a Democrat

 

[SIR ERNIE]

So what is it that appeals to you about Trump?

Oh without doubt those cheeky twinkling eyes and his blonde hair.

You?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Oh without doubt those cheeky twinkling eyes and his blonde hair.

You?

What is it?

You dislike people making assumptions but you can't articulate why you support him.

 

[Grendel]

So what is it that appeals to you about Trump?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Fair. I think he needs to go for Harris or Newsome (frankly I like Buttigeig).

The choice of Michelle Obama seemed whacky to me at first but appears plausible

 

[Otis]

Now you're just parroting.

 

[clint van damme]

The choice of Michelle Obama seemed whacky to me at first but appears plausible

Great, more birth certificate madness from the red necks!

 

[SIR ERNIE]

The choice of Michelle Obama seemed whacky to me at first but appears plausible

Looks like she's being widely tipped as the choice even though she's always been adamant she's not interested.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Great, more birth certificate madness from the red necks!

More likely still is that Biden refuses to stand down

 

[Marty]

The choice of Michelle Obama seemed whacky to me at first but appears plausible

Big Mike.

 

[Johnnythespider]

More likely still is that Biden refuses to stand down

Jill ?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Ok Clint, I'll bite.
We currently spend about 3 months of the year in the US. We hope ultimately to have dual citizenship.
If I were able to vote in November I'd vote for the right of centre option, just as I do in the UK.
So I'd vote Trump.

To be fair you don't say how far right of centre, but let's be honest, the centre isn't even viewable on the horizon from where Trump is.

Biden is right of centre. It's just the US is inherently a right-wing country, certainly in economic terms.

 

[Otis]

To be fair you don't say how far right of centre, but let's be honest, the centre isn't even viewable on the horizon from where Trump is.

Biden is right of centre. It's just the US is inherently a right-wing country, certainly in economic terms.

Trump would have you believe that the Democrats are practically commies.

I don't know how anyone with half a sense of decency could vote for a anyone who said it's okay to grab a woman by the pussy and mocked a disabled reporter and called Mexicans "drug dealers, criminals and rapists."

Just that first comment should be more than enough itself.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Trump would have you believe that the Democrats are practically commies.

I don't know how anyone with half a sense of decency could vote for a anyone who said it's okay to grab a woman by the pussy and mocked a disabled reporter and called Mexicans "drug dealers, criminals and rapists."

Just that first comment should be more than enough itself.

Same with starmer here
Socialist armageddon coming

 

[Otis]

Same with starmer here
Socialist armageddon coming

Yeah.

And on the other point, I am going to vote Labour, but if I found out Starmer said that same remark about women, as Trump, I wouldn't vote for him and would just go Independent, or Green.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah.

And on the other point, I am going to vote Labour, but if I found out Starmer said that same remark about women, as Trump, I wouldn't vote for him and would just go Independent, or Green.

Some on Twitter are saying he is about women’s spaces

 

[Otis]

Some on Twitter are saying he is about women’s spaces

I thought he had changed his stance in the last year.

He was saying weird stuff last year, but seems to have moved position.

It's been a very fast moving, ever changing situation, on the trans/gender issue the last couple of years or so. Still trying to get my head round it myself, as is my missus.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I thought he had changed his stance in the last year.

He was saying weird stuff last year, but seems to have moved position.

It's been a very fast moving, ever changing situation, on the trans/gender issue the last couple of years or so. Still trying to get my head round it myself, as is my missus.

And me
I am absolutely on the side of those people who wish to change their gender. Family and friends have found peace in doing so but there is clearly a place for nuance in sport and in women only spaces whilst not going back 40 years where white heterosexuals were the norm and everything else was and is abnormal
I’m not certain of how but it’s certainly not biological sex is what you are full stop it is so ignorant and nasty and mean

 

[Otis]