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SBT

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Not fully convinced in the event of WW3 that a Fox News host will be able to outmanoeuvre the generals running China’s military-industrial complex, but hopefully it doesn’t come to that.
 

Otis

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People only seem to look at musk through the lense of Twitter/X and his political views which is a bit short sighted. I think looking at his CV they’d be lucky to get him involved….

Runs a company that made EVs mainstream and as far as I’m aware still the only car company that can make them profitably (also made their IP open source). Also not far off self driving vehicles

Runs a company that has rolled out satellite internet to parts of the world where there is no chance of traditional WiFi/broadband

Started a company that is ahead of most/all nation states when it comes to space travel and is delivering reusable rockets which produces far more efficient/cost effective space exploration/travel

Involved in starting a company (neuralink) that is developing ways to help give quadriplegics the ability to control devices through their thoughts and can possible help to restore some blind people’s eyesight

Runs a company that has rolled out large scale battery storage units (megapack) that are driving renewable energy

Big ego, undoubtedly, said some stuff he shouldn’t have, yep but shouldn’t governments be picking the brains of people like musk ? Have people not seen the state of politicians these days ?!

ps I agree if 75% of civil servants are sacked the state would collapse. Can’t see that happening though
Yup, they should be picking the brains of Musk.

Just with him strapped down in a operating theatre, with the top.of his bonce chopped off
 

rondog1973

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MI6 should have taken Musk out when he made his 'civil war is inevitable' tweet. Clearly designed to undermine the new govt and create social instability in the UK. Bit of a diplomatic no-no now he's a US official.

I dare say Farage has Trumps ear advocating harsh trading conditions on the UK too, promising a Reform govt in 4/5 years...
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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People only seem to look at musk through the lense of Twitter/X and his political views which is a bit short sighted. I think looking at his CV they’d be lucky to get him involved….

Runs a company that made EVs mainstream and as far as I’m aware still the only car company that can make them profitably (also made their IP open source). Also not far off self driving vehicles

Runs a company that has rolled out satellite internet to parts of the world where there is no chance of traditional WiFi/broadband

Started a company that is ahead of most/all nation states when it comes to space travel and is delivering reusable rockets which produces far more efficient/cost effective space exploration/travel

Involved in starting a company (neuralink) that is developing ways to help give quadriplegics the ability to control devices through their thoughts and can possible help to restore some blind people’s eyesight

Runs a company that has rolled out large scale battery storage units (megapack) that are driving renewable energy

Big ego, undoubtedly, said some stuff he shouldn’t have, yep but shouldn’t governments be picking the brains of people like musk ? Have people not seen the state of politicians these days ?!

ps I agree if 75% of civil servants are sacked the state would collapse. Can’t see that happening though
He's a Bond villain.

Undoubtedly got some very clever ideas with technical stuff but he comes across a someone who has absolutely no understanding of people. Hence why he spends his time around machines - he can make sense of them with set rules that always apply in every situation.

People aren't like that and different strategies and stimulii work for different people. For Musk it'd be everyone should be the same and react the same so therefore one plan fits all.

I'm always sceptical of business people being brought into government as the emphasis of the two are very different. Musk is the ultimate example of that.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Surely the system would collapse if you got rid of 75% of civil servants. Saying that look what he did when he took over twitter and how that has rapidly deteriorated as a result

Trump's not even taken over yet and there's already rumblings of discontent from Rep voters that he's not going to follow through on his promises. Very predictable as he, along with his running mates, were just saying what they thought whoever was in the room wanted to hear. Already walking back on banning vaccines and Trump promised to pardon anyone for guilty of crimes related to January 6th which possibly isn't as easy as he thinks.

Looks like he's going to be off the hook with his legal troubles though. The general consensus is now it would cause too much of a constitution problem if he was sentenced so that will be delayed until his term has finished
No surprise to me. He’s a fascist pig of a man.
 

shmmeee

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He's a Bond villain.

Undoubtedly got some very clever ideas with technical stuff but he comes across a someone who has absolutely no understanding of people. Hence why he spends his time around machines - he can make sense of them with set rules that always apply in every situation.

People aren't like that and different strategies and stimulii work for different people. For Musk it'd be everyone should be the same and reactthe same so therefore one plan fits all.

I'm always sceptical of business people being brought into government as the emphasis of the two are very different. Musk is the ultimate example of that.

He got lucky with PayPal and has picked companies well and played PR brilliantly to pump his stock. Outside of SpaceX, results are mixed. Tesla is fast losing its lead and seems to be going down a dead end on self driving, X is losing money and members hand over fist, but probably wasn’t bought to make cash TBF, his solar and battery business as being eaten by Chinese imports. His robotics are fairly middle of the road, his mass transit and freight ambitions have come to nothing.

But I don’t think he’s evil. I think he think a lot of himself and is socially awkward. He probably sincerely believes he can make government much more efficient like he has his companies and he is very good at efficiency in his companies.

TBH Musk is the one Trump appointee I’m least concerned about.
 

CCFCSteve

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He's a Bond villain.

Undoubtedly got some very clever ideas with technical stuff but he comes across a someone who has absolutely no understanding of people. Hence why he spends his time around machines - he can make sense of them with set rules that always apply in every situation.

People aren't like that and different strategies and stimulii work for different people. For Musk it'd be everyone should be the same and react the same so therefore one plan fits all.

I'm always sceptical of business people being brought into government as the emphasis of the two are very different. Musk is the ultimate example of that.

Hasn’t he got a bit of Asperger/autism so probably struggles to show empathy which maybe isnt ideal with public sector/government ! Agree that successful businessmen/women don’t necesssrily translate to being helpful in government but I’m all from bringing ideas etc from outside. Id imagine he’d be looking at things like AI to help drive some efficiency improvements
 

CCFCSteve

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He got lucky with PayPal and has picked companies well and played PR brilliantly to pump his stock. Outside of SpaceX, results are mixed. Tesla is fast losing its lead and seems to be going down a dead end on self driving, X is losing money and members hand over fist, but probably wasn’t bought to make cash TBF, his solar and battery business as being eaten by Chinese imports. His robotics are fairly middle of the road, his mass transit and freight ambitions have come to nothing.

Think you might have to revisit some of your assessments there shmmeee. Only time will tell with some of the ventures though

Agree that X has cost and may continue to cost, him a fortune though
 

shmmeee

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Hasn’t he got a bit of Asperger/autism so probably struggles to show empathy which maybe isnt ideal with public sector/government ! Agree that successful businessmen/women don’t necesssrily translate to being helpful in government but I’m all from bringing ideas etc from outside. Id imagine he’d be looking at things like AI to help drive some efficiency improvements

There’s a lot of process waste in government (and most large organisations), that Musk is very good at cutting through. He’s very good at first principles thinking around a problem and finding efficiencies. The problem comes in government I think in the failures. Twitter randomly refusing to stop playing audio is annoying, the government not sending a cheque at the right time can cost lives. SpaceX is probably the closest in terms of mission criticality, but even then you can blow up a few spaceships and it’s just your cash you’re wasting.

Will be interesting to see what he does.
 

SBT

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Yeah, say what you want about Musk’s political views or his methods, he clearly has relevant experience and skills in the job he’s being asked to do.

The nominee for Defense Secretary however…
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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He got lucky with PayPal and has picked companies well and played PR brilliantly to pump his stock. Outside of SpaceX, results are mixed. Tesla is fast losing its lead and seems to be going down a dead end on self driving, X is losing money and members hand over fist, but probably wasn’t bought to make cash TBF, his solar and battery business as being eaten by Chinese imports. His robotics are fairly middle of the road, his mass transit and freight ambitions have come to nothing.

But I don’t think he’s evil. I think he think a lot of himself and is socially awkward. He probably sincerely believes he can make government much more efficient like he has his companies and he is very good at efficiency in his companies.

TBH Musk is the one Trump appointee I’m least concerned about.
Even though I called him a Bond villain, I don't think he's 'evil'.

He's had a privileged upbringing, and a bit of luck with some of his ventures. That has clearly given him self belief (some warranted, some not) but I maintain someone with his nuerodivergence isn't best placed to run government. If you get things wrong then people's lives are in danger, and I just don't think he gets the significance of that.
 

The Philosopher

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Some rumours he could fire as many as 75% of American civil servants. I would assume the only departments they’d want to keep open would be the military, immigration and perhaps some tax collection stuff.
He fired 80% of the employees at Twitter and the platform handles more traffic and data than ever.

“Experts” said it would fall over.

Musk was right.

Firing 75% of civil servants is unlikely, but I bet there are huge swathes of people doing not a lot.

Civil servants vote leftwards. Lefty governments like to overbloat civil services. Pretty straightforward.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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He fired 80% of the employees at Twitter and the platform handles more traffic and data than ever.

“Experts” said it would fall over.

Musk was right.

Firing 75% of civil servants is unlikely, but I bet there are huge swathes of people doing not a lot.

Civil servants vote leftwards. Lefty governments like to overbloat civil services. Pretty straightforward.
But many would argue that X is now a complete mess, with no censure for saying absolutely untrue things and bots running rampant.

It is also losing users.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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He fired 80% of the employees at Twitter and the platform handles more traffic and data than ever.

“Experts” said it would fall over.

Musk was right.

Firing 75% of civil servants is unlikely, but I bet there are huge swathes of people doing not a lot.

Civil servants vote leftwards. Lefty governments like to overbloat civil services. Pretty straightforward.
Wow.
 

The Philosopher

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My belief:

Those on here attacking Trump or Musk:

“non net contributors”, ie, work in academia, the civil service, NHS etc. Get offended when things outside of their echobuvblrpointed out.

Those with balanced positions:

Open minded, like to study facts, probably work in private sector

(Waits for silly emojis from those who fit into category 1, above).
 

Sick Boy

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My belief:

Those on here attacking Trump or Musk:

“non net contributors”, ie, work in academia, the civil service, NHS etc. Get offended when things outside of their echobuvblrpointed out.

Those with balanced positions:

Open minded, like to study facts, probably work in private sector

(Waits for silly emojis from those who fit into category 1, above).
You're beyond parody at this point.
 

shmmeee

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My belief:

Those on here attacking Trump or Musk:

“non net contributors”, ie, work in academia, the civil service, NHS etc. Get offended when things outside of their echobuvblrpointed out.

Those with balanced positions:

Open minded, like to study facts, probably work in private sector

(Waits for silly emojis from those who fit into category 1, above).

Chads who agree with me vs virgin soyboys with other opinions.
 

torchomatic

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My belief:

Those on here attacking Trump or Musk:

“non net contributors”, ie, work in academia, the civil service, NHS etc. Get offended when things outside of their echobuvblrpointed out.

Those with balanced positions:

Open minded, like to study facts, probably work in private sector

(Waits for silly emojis from those who fit into category 1, above).

Blimey.
 

MalcSB

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My belief:

Those on here attacking Trump or Musk:

“non net contributors”, ie, work in academia, the civil service, NHS etc. Get offended when things outside of their echobuvblrpointed out.

Those with balanced positions:

Open minded, like to study facts, probably work in private sector

(Waits for silly emojis from those who fit into category 1, above).
Interesting view that NHS employees are non net contributors and are not open minded and don’t study facts.
 

dutchman

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Oh, he [Biden] knew alright and did his best to sabotage Harris.

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fernandopartridge

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He got lucky with PayPal and has picked companies well and played PR brilliantly to pump his stock. Outside of SpaceX, results are mixed. Tesla is fast losing its lead and seems to be going down a dead end on self driving, X is losing money and members hand over fist, but probably wasn’t bought to make cash TBF, his solar and battery business as being eaten by Chinese imports. His robotics are fairly middle of the road, his mass transit and freight ambitions have come to nothing.

But I don’t think he’s evil. I think he think a lot of himself and is socially awkward. He probably sincerely believes he can make government much more efficient like he has his companies and he is very good at efficiency in his companies.

TBH Musk is the one Trump appointee I’m least concerned about.
I don't know much about him but hasn't he been a massive beneficiary of government subsidies?
 

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