UEFA EURO 2024 (8 Viewers)
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I have wondered if something is amiss with the squad/team dynamics all through tbh, who's fault would that be?
This and plenty of other stuff on social media feels a standard English case of building them up and then knocking them down
He had the bollocks to move to Germany at 17 and then Madrid at 19. The fact that dortmund had him as part of a leadership group as a teenager tells its own story.
Overall he had a pretty underwhelming tournament apart from important moments of magic. Scored two and set up last nights equaliser after starting the move as well. He made more tackles than anyone in the tournament and pretty much ran himself into the ground even though he’s looked exhausted from game two. But social media (not saying you evo) go for the pile on
ps agree that Howe is probably the obvious choice. Could he handle the pressure etc, who knows but only one way to find out…assuming he fancies it
Brighton Sky Blue
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I have no issue with Bellingham allowing frustrations with his manager to boil over. Going from Ancelotti to Southgate, I’m not surprised.
fernandopartridge
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As much as Howe has done well at Bournemouth and Newcastle, he's never won anything. Potter likewise.
Need somebody who has won something or has that mentality. Klopp like someone mentioned would be good.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Arguably the best English manager in football. Bearing in mind pre-season has started, it’s possible that Newcastle or even Howe himself would knock England back. Are you confident enough in the second and third choices out there to get rid of Southgate?
David Ornstein was on The Athletic podcast arguing that the alternatives are not so obvious and perhaps it’s better to stick with him. Yet, I can’t see Southgate staying on and think he should leave with his head held high.
Without a track record of winning major tournaments, we’re back to square one.
I was just with some Forest fans who described Cooper as just as negative as Southgate and reckon Leicester are down with him. Personally, I like Cooper but I’m not familiar with his football as a weekly spectator
Brighton Sky Blue
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I do actually agree that it makes sense to take time over appointing the successor. There isn’t any need to rush and getting it right matters far more.
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If I were an aspiring manager with a reputation but no trophies I wouldn't go near the England job
Evo1883
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Why ? You can win nothing and come out looking like alex ferguson
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Or you can have a successful tournament and still have people think you've done a shit job
Nuskyblue
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Pep would be a disaster, I don't think what he does would work in international football. It took him a session and buying in a whole new back 5 to make it work at Manchester City.
Klopp would be fantastic.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Another frustrating final defeat because we didn't press home an advantage. We looked ok first half (though I did think the ref was being pretty generous to us), though Spain were the better team, then looked all at sea start of the second half, After managing to score and get the other team a bit rattled we again sat back, let them get their composure back and then tried to defend for ET which was always going to end in tears. Spain deserved to win so fair play to them.
Kane was awful all tournament and was a huge part of the reason for our poor number of goals and xG, though our entire transition was so slow, not playing the first time pass and taking extra touches so the other teams go back in position. That seemed to be result in Foden having a poor tournament. Bellingham was massively underwhelming other than his overhead kick. He looked tired and the team wasn't playing the way he is used to at Madrid. Ad you can tell his time in Spain is rubbing off on him - so many times he'd just fall to the floor at the slightest touch and expect a free kick.
Kane was awful all tournament and was a huge part of the reason for our poor number of goals and xG, though our entire transition was so slow, not playing the first time pass and taking extra touches so the other teams go back in position. That seemed to be result in Foden having a poor tournament. Bellingham was massively underwhelming other than his overhead kick. He looked tired and the team wasn't playing the way he is used to at Madrid. Ad you can tell his time in Spain is rubbing off on him - so many times he'd just fall to the floor at the slightest touch and expect a free kick.
Otis
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That bit HAS to be on the manager, that of either, going a goal up and then sitting back, or getting back into a game and then sitting back. It was far too cautious.
Then, everyone to a man agreed Kane was not playing well. He should have been rested or dropped. We had games in which we could have definitely rested him.
I know some will point to his goalscoring record and I am indeed one of those who bloody loves the guy, but at times it truly was like we were playing with 10 men.
It's fine saying he had to be picked, but he unfortunately was one of the main reasons we kept getting giving the ball back to the opposition and putting pressure back on ourselves and he is also one of the main reasons we keep playing so deep.
One decent performance in seven just is nowhere near good enough. We didn't score enough goals and we didn't have enough shots on target.
Southgate has to go. The fans are getting increasingly frustrated with him and we still continue to keep on flunking it at the death
Brighton Sky Blue
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To coin some famous words:
We’ve seen it all before, we just know, we’re so sure, that England’s gonna throw it away…but I know they can play.
And that’s what makes every tournament under him a frustration-we are seeing the team perform at nothing close to their full capabilities.
We will always be a top ten solid team for sure but I agree we do hype ourselves. I guess it’s just passion. Same as when people talk of City challenging for automatic promotion when we make a couple of signings
My thoughts today have been a frustration at not going out with a bang but a whimper. You just can’t sit back and allow Spain to have attack after attack you need to take the game to then. I genuinely would not have complained if we had lost 3-0 if we had thrown the sink at them. That is the manager for sure but also concerned about the lack of basic skills at times
SkyBlueCharlie9
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Our ability at times to pass a very simple ball 10ft at the right pace and position for the receiving player to take it in their stride still amazes me. Often it puts the receiving player under immediate pressure to take extra touches and rush the following pass, which is then even less accurate and results in panic and us giving the ball away. That's been England since the 60s.
There are signs of improvement with the likes of Foden Bellingham Saka and Palmer.... thank God!
There are signs of improvement with the likes of Foden Bellingham Saka and Palmer.... thank God!
David O'Day
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Potter, Poch or Tuchel would be my choices out that list.
HadjiChippo
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Tuchel seems to have fallouts wherever he goes, but he’d absolutely be my first option if I was picking purely on credentials.
Great tournament manager, natural winner, and sounds like he wants to come back and work in England as well (though this might be exclusive to premier league rather than national)
Although, I do tend towards the idea that the big nations should always have a manager of that nation (France, Germany, Spain, Italy etc have always had same nationality managers in my lifetime)
Whoever gets picked we can’t allow Lampard and Gerrard to continue failing upwards. If Rooney wasn’t new in a job he’d be considered an outside chance too most likely.
Great tournament manager, natural winner, and sounds like he wants to come back and work in England as well (though this might be exclusive to premier league rather than national)
Although, I do tend towards the idea that the big nations should always have a manager of that nation (France, Germany, Spain, Italy etc have always had same nationality managers in my lifetime)
Whoever gets picked we can’t allow Lampard and Gerrard to continue failing upwards. If Rooney wasn’t new in a job he’d be considered an outside chance too most likely.
Yep, look at what happened with Villa.
Hopeless under Gerrard and then a proper manager instantly totally transforms them.
I'm hoping we're going to have a similar effect with the new England manager!
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Looks like Southgate has stepped down.
Sick Boy
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Probably for the best. He can be proud of what he's achieved and the difference between when he took over and now
Mucca Mad Boys
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He’s gone now so everyone who wanted him gone has got their wish. I’m not surprised at all, he knows the public goodwill has gone.
Took the team from its lowest point and made us into contenders and for that, deserves massive amounts of credit.
My immediate concern is that the candidates to replace him are sparse. We may fantasise about Klopp or Pochettino, but will how much goodwill will the public give to a German or Argentinian in the role?
shmmeee
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He had to go. Took us far but as far as he could and it wasn’t quite enough. We may or may not move on without him but we weren’t going to move forwards with him.
We were supposed to be playing possession based high press football according to Southgates own intentions. Hopefully we can get someone in who can realise that.
We were supposed to be playing possession based high press football according to Southgates own intentions. Hopefully we can get someone in who can realise that.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Unfortunately, the most likely candidates haven’t proven themselves as winners in major tournaments. Unless we’re counting Lee Carsely’s U21 Euros win…
Unlike France’s Deschamps, Southgate knew he’s overstaying his welcome.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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I’d say England deserve their spot. Argentina have won their last 3 tournaments, France and us are the most consistent tournament teams over the last 3/4 and Spain currently European champions
no_loyalty
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Pepe has officially retired from professional football at the age of 41, what an incredible career he has had.
SBAndy
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Finally focusing more energy on his chicken franchise.