Grendel
Well-Known Member
you are proposing war which would escalate across the globe
it’s nothing to do with appeasement
We have already provided a lot of the materiel keeping Ukraine in the fight. Providing aircraft able to tip the balance is not much more of a step.
It’s appeasement of a man who sees what we’re doing as a weakness and a green light to carry on. If Ukraine falls it won’t be the last.
War is already hereyou are proposing war which would escalate across the globe
it’s nothing to do with appeasement
War is already here
Second that. It’s what we do next to defend ourselves. My one year savings bond is looking a bit dodgy.War is already here
His days are numbered. Upset too many people inside Russia.
China watching on closely. Outcome will define their policy on Taiwan and other disputed areas. Sanctions also different for China - far more damaging for them.Apart from nuclear war that is and risking the likes of China getting involved - tensions with them and the USA are already bad enough.
It is war by proxy, Ukraine using Western weaponry and equipment to kill Russians.No it isn’t - not outside the two countries who are involved
what you are suggesting is madness which fortunately the west aren’t too stupid to sanction
We are not at war
I'm not sure anyone cares about him. His dancing reminds me of weirdos at school who used to think it impressed the girls but they just thought anyone like that was a perv.Off topic but see Elon Musk fired one of
His principal engineers because he told him the algorithm wasn’t biased against him he just wasn’t as popular as he used to be, and showed data to prove it.
By Laura Gozzi
BBC News
Russian soldiers are dying in greater numbers in Ukraine this month than at any time since the first week of the invasion, according to Ukrainian data.
The Ukrainian data shows 824 Russian soldiers dying per day in February.
The figures were highlighted by the UK's Ministry of Defence. The figures cannot be verified - but the UK says the trends are "likely accurate".
The increase comes as Ukrainian officials say that Russia has launched a "big offensive".
However, the secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine (NSDC), Oleksiy Danilov, also said Russia is experiencing "big problems" with the campaign.
"Our troops are repulsing [the offensive] very strongly," Mr Danilov said. "The offensive they planned is already taking place, gradually, but it's not the offensive they imagined."
Last week, Ukraine's outgoing defence minister, Oleksiy Reznikov, said they were anticipating a new Russian offensive around 24 February - the anniversary of the full-scale invasion.
Some of the fiercest fighting has been around Bakhmut in the east of the country.
On Sunday, the head of Russia's Wagner mercenary force said the group had seized a settlement near the devastated city.
Yevgeny Prigozhin said on Telegram: "Today, the settlement of Krasna Hora was taken by assault detachments of the Wagner PMC."
Never in the name on the motherland800+ per day ?!When will Russia parents say enoughs enough
sadly forthe parents that's a number that's going to increase considerably over next few weeks.800+ per day ?!When will Russia parents say enoughs enough
Jesus wept, get a grip.So I keep hearing. If Ukraine falls, and we end up with Putin gaining enormous territory plus a big chunk of the grain supply, we might still be patting ourselves on the back for ‘not escalating’ against a man who sees that as a weakness.
We then also give the green light to China to take Taiwan so long as they make a nuclear threat upon invasion. Meanwhile Putin would similarly move on to invasions of Georgia and Moldova. Can’t escalate though-let him crack on with it.
For Sweden to give up years of neutrality would suggest they agree. Finland rush to join NATO again suggests similar fears.So I keep hearing. If Ukraine falls, and we end up with Putin gaining enormous territory plus a big chunk of the grain supply, we might still be patting ourselves on the back for ‘not escalating’ against a man who sees that as a weakness.
So then, what do you think the outcome is going to be? Getting a grip is exactly what needs to happens before that tosspot Putin kills more people. I don’t think it will spread much, but sitting on our hands never works. It has taken many years to get to this point, however it needs to be stopped ASAP. P.S. Without nukes.Jesus wept, get a grip.
You may not be aware of this but Russia already has troops in Moldova and has done illegally since 1992.Jesus wept, get a grip.
Usual putin tactics. Supply some infrastructure, move some Russian people in, agitate then move the military in with a view to controlling them. Only surprise there is thst they haven’t installed a puppet yet.You may not be aware of this but Russia already has troops in Moldova and has done illegally since 1992.
The west carpet bombing Russian troops would inevitably lead to nuclear.So then, what do you think the outcome is going to be? Getting a grip is exactly what needs to happens before that tosspot Putin kills more people. I don’t think it will spread much, but sitting on our hands never works. It has taken many years to get to this point, however it needs to be stopped ASAP. P.S. Without nukes.
The west carpet bombing Russian troops would inevitably lead to nuclear.
You’re right, nuclear war sounds much more appealing!The current strategy is likely going to lead to either Ukrainian defeat or years more of a bloody stalemate.
You’re right, nuclear war sounds much more appealing!
Russia may be able to fund the meat grinder for years, how long will we be able to support Ukraine though? Heard on radio they use in a day the number of arty shells it takes us a month to produce for them.
While the bravado is great and the West needs to stand up to Putin, IMHO at some point Zelensky will need to get round the table and negotiate. Even if by some chance they push him out of Ukraine, never mind the Crimea, he can keep lobbing in missiles willy nilly.
Russia can't afford to find the meat grinder for years. They're about to throw in a load of conscripts and that hasn't been going well for them. Large casualties there will increase domestic pressure.Russia may be able to fund the meat grinder for years, how long will we be able to support Ukraine though? Heard on radio they use in a day the number of arty shells it takes us a month to produce for them.
While the bravado is great and the West needs to stand up to Putin, IMHO at some point Zelensky will need to get round the table and negotiate. Even if by some chance they push him out of Ukraine, never mind the Crimea, he can keep lobbing in missiles willy nilly.
The breadbasket of Europe/the world.Russia can't afford to find the meat grinder for years. They're about to throw in a load of conscripts and that hasn't been going well for them. Large casualties there will increase domestic pressure.
Negotiations mean giving up territory which sets a bad precedent for other countries (as well as Russia). They can't allow Russia anything that can be sold as a win as it just leads to the potential for further land grabs in the likes of Georgia, Moldova and others.
Russia probably can't/ won't just settle for Donbas and Luhansk "autonomy". The other 4 regions they have annexed and added to the Russian federation would also be included in some form.
Then there's the future security of the rest of Ukraine. The loss of key income from industrial and agricultural producing areas severely damages Ukrainian economy. The control of key ports for a large exporter also a massive issue.
Russia can't afford to find the meat grinder for years. They're about to throw in a load of conscripts and that hasn't been going well for them. Large casualties there will increase domestic pressure.
Negotiations mean giving up territory which sets a bad precedent for other countries (as well as Russia). They can't allow Russia anything that can be sold as a win as it just leads to the potential for further land grabs in the likes of Georgia, Moldova and others.
Russia probably can't/ won't just settle for Donbas and Luhansk "autonomy". The other 4 regions they have annexed and added to the Russian federation would also be included in some form.
Then there's the future security of the rest of Ukraine. The loss of key income from industrial and agricultural producing areas severely damages Ukrainian economy. The control of key ports for a large exporter also a massive issue.
The breadbasket of Europe/the world.
I find the like of India et Al‘s stance quite telling. They want to have their cake and eat it. They may be ‘neutral’ but their inaction / reluctance to apply sanctions is telling. Oil (Short-term) and grain is needed to continue their development. The trouble is, Ukraine/ NATO will not forget the actions of these countries.
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