USSR invades Ukraine. (51 Viewers)

tisza · Feb 14, 2023

Flying Fokker said:
The trouble is, Ukraine/ NATO will not forget the actions of these countries.

Ukraine may not. NATO is the West and that means they will stand for it because of trade. Harsh but true. Been ignoring all sorts of Chinese wrongdoings for years in exchange for profit - at Govt and ground level. Everyone can go through their belongings and find a multitude of "made in China" products - ignoring climate issues, labour & human rights issues. The by-product of sanctions holding is that itdoesgive China "food for thought" on Taiwan as their economy is far more susceptible to sanctions than Russia's is.

tisza · Feb 14, 2023

duffer said:
Given you're pretty close to it all, do you have any thoughts on how it all ends?

My uneducated guess is a year or so of relative, grinding, hideous, horrific, stalemate, and then Putin slips whilst cleaning his penthouse windows. That might be a bit optimistic though...

Don't see any "nice" solutions.
1. Ukraine retakes territory but at a huge cost. Possibly some but not all in particular the Crimea.
2. Russia manages to hold territory - again at a huge cost to both sides. Then you have "an aggressive, confident" Russia that will strengthen its military before fulfilling Putin's other expressed desires on rebuilding Russian empire - maybe a go at the rest of Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova etc.
3. Putin (like Xi) has built a cadre of like-minded thinkers and eliminated any tangible opposition / political alternative. His death probably an irrelevance in the short-term assuming the "cadre" agree on a replacement.
4. No quick fix. Regardless of Russian mobilizations Ukraine still has a massive battle-hardened army - the sad "kill ratios" are proving that these mobilizations are just a "meat grinder". Motivated, experienced troops vs poorly trained, unmotivated conscripts is a mismatch.
If Ukraine can hold new attacks whilst pushing through to the southern coast to threaten the Kerch bridge that's a big factor. Much of the war supplies still coming from Russia via Crimea. Realistically the key also is how long NATO etc can supply Ukraine with arms & munitions. Also how long European NATO states can keep defending increased living costs for their populations.
5. Regardless of outcome world peace has regressed years. Going to see a new arms war escalation that we saw with the "heyday" of Soviet Communism. Levels of mistrust.

tisza · Feb 14, 2023

CCFCSteve said:
China and Irans behaviours hasn’t been a shock, however, India in particular have been massively disappointing to me. They’ve been profiteering on the back of ukraine and the wests sanctions. Whose side are they on ?!

Their own. They make no apology for using it to fund their economic expansion. It's not their war much as Europe ignores so many African conflicts. It's stil a hardline Nationalist Govt running things there atm

PVA · Feb 14, 2023

RegTheDonk said:
Russia may be able to fund the meat grinder for years, how long will we be able to support Ukraine though? Heard on radio they use in a day the number of arty shells it takes us a month to produce for them.

The US have spent something like 2 weeks worth of their annual defence budget on aid and weapons for Ukraine and has practically crippled the Russian army.

It's a fantastic ROI for them, they will keep funding like this for as long as they want/need to.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 14, 2023

PVA said:
The US have spent something like 2 weeks worth of their annual defence budget on aid and weapons for Ukraine and has practically crippled the Russian army.

It's a fantastic ROI for them, they will keep funding like this for as long as they want/need to.

Then it would be in their interest for the war to take more instead of less time

shmmeee · Feb 14, 2023

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Then it would be in their interest for the war to take more instead of less time

How so?

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 14, 2023

shmmeee said:
How so?

Ultimately the military industrial complex is king in the US. So the longer a war goes on, the more equipment they sell, the more money they make.

Flying Fokker · Feb 14, 2023

British troops 'up for a scrap' and ready to lead defence of Europe

EXCLUSIVE: BRITISH troops are ready to lead Europe's first line of defence "now" if Vladimir Putin attacked a NATO ally, commanders declared last night. Lieutenant Colonel Ben Hawes, who will assume command of NATO's high-readiness force on January 1, told the Daily Express they have not been...

www.express.co.uk

Macca1987 · Feb 15, 2023

Why poke the bear

Flying Fokker · Feb 15, 2023

Macca1987 said:
Why poke the bear

Because the Bear is not a bear in this case. Much the same as we are not what they want us to be.

skybluetony176 · Feb 15, 2023

I don’t mind Ben Wallace as defence minister. Don’t agree with him on anything else really but on defence he’s usually there or there abouts. He just needs the rest of the government to wake up now

Flying Fokker · Feb 15, 2023

I saw that, made me chuckle. He says it as he sees it.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Feb 15, 2023

Flying Fokker said:
I saw that, made me chuckle. He says it as he sees it.

He's still a complete bellend though. You can very clearly see where Boris gets his behaviour from.

fernandopartridge · Feb 15, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
You may not be aware of this but Russia already has troops in Moldova and has done illegally since 1992.

I was aware and clearly nobody really cares how so why on earth would the prospect of an invasion of Moldova bother me?

skybluetony176 · Feb 16, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
I was aware and clearly nobody really cares how so why on earth would the prospect of an invasion of Moldova bother me?

Okay Neville. Don’t you worry your pretty little head about a lunatic with an army behind him, a fanatical following in his homeland and an ambition for expansion. I’m sure there’s no period in history that could teach us about the perils of ignoring that. At least not in Europe anyway.

Grendel · Feb 16, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
Okay Neville. Don’t you worry your pretty little head about a lunatic with an army behind him, a fanatical following in his homeland and an ambition for expansion. I’m sure there’s no period in history that could teach us about the perils of ignoring that. At least not in Europe anyway.

That is genuinely the most ridiculous post I've seen.

Grow up FFS

fernandopartridge · Feb 16, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
Okay Neville. Don’t you worry your pretty little head about a lunatic with an army behind him, a fanatical following in his homeland and an ambition for expansion. I’m sure there’s no period in history that could teach us about the perils of ignoring that. At least not in Europe anyway.

Enough about Zelensky

shmmeee · Feb 16, 2023

Macca1987 said:
Why poke the bear

Because it’s eating your neighbour and threatening to hold lots of people ransom by controlling their food and energy supplies. And the only language it understands is being poked.

shmmeee · Feb 16, 2023

Far left and far right accounts on here spouting Kremlin propaganda. Never change guys.

Grendel · Feb 16, 2023

shmmeee said:
Far left and far right accounts on here spouting Kremlin propaganda. Never change guys.

I mean seriously

shmmeee · Feb 16, 2023

Grendel said:
I mean seriously

So do I.

Grendel · Feb 16, 2023

shmmeee said:
So do I.

so I’m a far right fanatic - yeah ok. Write to nato and request a full on invasion - literally clueless

fernandopartridge · Feb 16, 2023

shmmeee said:
So do I.

Kremlin propaganda or just my own view on a very strange individual

Grendel · Feb 16, 2023

I assume as it’s the guardian this is far left fanaticism

Revealed: ‘anti-oligarch’ Ukrainian president’s offshore connections | Volodymyr Zelenskyy | The Guardian

Volodymyr Zelenskiy has railed against politicians hiding wealth offshore but failed to disclose links to BVI firm

amp.theguardian.com

Grendel · Feb 16, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
Okay Neville. Don’t you worry your pretty little head about a lunatic with an army behind him, a fanatical following in his homeland and an ambition for expansion. I’m sure there’s no period in history that could teach us about the perils of ignoring that. At least not in Europe anyway.

I don’t even understand this anyway Tony. I don’t see any ambition for expansion whatsoever - Ukraine as a sovereign state has been so only for a couple of decades (check wiki and copy and paste a response as you usually do) - Putin isn’t setting an army to invade the whole of Europe and frankly other than the Uk most of Europe are trying to avoid getting involved at all

Ironic Mr Johnson and you seem allied on this one but the likes of Olaf, Ursula and Emmanuel seem to be waiving that piece of paper

Always a Tory boy at heart Tony?

Flying Fokker · Feb 16, 2023

Grendel said:
I don’t even understand this anyway Tony. I don’t see any ambition for expansion whatsoever - Ukraine as a sovereign state has been so only for a couple of decades (check wiki and copy and paste a response as you usually do) - Putin isn’t setting an army to invade the whole of Europe and frankly other than the Uk most of Europe are trying to avoid getting involved at all

Ironic Mr Johnson and you seem allied on this one but the likes of Olaf, Ursula and Emmanuel seem to be waiving that piece of paper

Always a Tory boy at heart Tony?

Ukraine is a tad more complex than that.

Grendel · Feb 16, 2023

Flying Fokker said:
Ukraine is a tad more complex than that.

So is Russia

fernandopartridge · Feb 17, 2023

Lord only knows what he'd be doing with his right hand

PVA · Feb 17, 2023

Grendel has made more posts criticising Zelensky's dress sense than Putin's decision to invade another country and murder innocent kids.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 17, 2023

The alliance of FP and Grendel focusing on criticising Zelensky and deciding that smaller countries being taken are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Bit of the twilight zone about that. A bit like G writing countless posts belittling SBT for being a no mark local journalist then suddenly reversing his stance.

The life of a contrarian

fernandopartridge · Feb 17, 2023

Look at this, disgusting

fernandopartridge · Feb 17, 2023

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The alliance of FP and Grendel focusing on criticising Zelensky and deciding that smaller countries being taken are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Bit of the twilight zone about that. A bit like G writing countless posts belittling SBT for being a no mark local journalist then suddenly reversing his stance.

The life of a contrarian

They are insignificant compared to a war involving opposing nuclear powers, how is that difficult to comprehend?

Grendel · Feb 17, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
They are insignificant compared to a war involving opposing nuclear powers, how is that difficult to comprehend?

I did t even know SBT was a journalist - I found defending the trinity mirror group somewhat tedious - think though I have been pretty consistent on this topic

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 17, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
They are insignificant compared to a war involving opposing nuclear powers, how is that difficult to comprehend?

Well because in the scenario of them invading Moldova, they would also have had to take Ukraine too. Is losing a country of that size also not an issue? The main concern for me is giving Putin a blueprint to invade anywhere as long as he’s threatened nukes.

Grendel · Feb 17, 2023

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well because in the scenario of them invading Moldova, they would also have had to take Ukraine too. Is losing a country of that size also not an issue? The main concern for me is giving Putin a blueprint to invade anywhere as long as he’s threatened nukes.

They already are in Moldova

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