Otis
Well-Known Member
Yes, I didn't say the sanctions we have in place right now will work, they need to be much, much tougher. He said so himself, this professor.
Hard-line sanctions over a prolonged period.
Yes, I didn't say the sanctions we have in place right now will work, they need to be much, much tougher. He said so himself, this professor.Sanctions they've done so far aren't going to work in a short time. They are an inconvenience to specific people around the Russian leadership. Didn't Biden say we'll review in a month or so? Lot of people can die in a month.
Basically seems sanctions seem to be "not a lot what we can do at the moment if we're not going to get involved militarily".
Basically what the Ukranians are telling the world
Saw it. If I got the gist of it he was saying that unlike in the Cold War the problem is that there’s been no longer term joined up thinking between administrations in numerous western countries and also no joined up thinking between the western countries so there’s been no sustained unilateral action ever been taken against Putin whether it was Georgia in 2008, his incursion into Crimea or anything. Basically said the west has been naive in thinking that they can control Putin enough with trade for him to be a normal person who doesn’t invade peaceful democratic countries.An Oxford university professor said on QT last night that sanctions DO work, but that they can take 10 years TO work. .
Yes.Saw it. If I got the gist of it he was saying that unlike in the Cold War the problem is that there’s been no longer term joined up thinking between administrations in numerous western countries and also no joined up thinking between the western countries so there’s been no sustained unilateral action ever been taken against Putin whether it was Georgia in 2008, his incursion into Crimea or anything. Basically said the west has been naive in thinking that they can control Putin enough with trade for him to be a normal person who doesn’t invade peaceful democratic countries.
Apparently in polling in Russia on the run up to this only 8% of Russians support military action by the Russian army in Ukraine and only 9% support the separatists in Ukraine. Putin might have misread the room catastrophically on this. Be interesting to see if the protests in Russia increase tonight.
Absolutely right they are. Most of them are probably in custody by now.I heard that many Russians are saying this is not a Russian war, this is a Kremlin war
I know it isn’t going to be as effective and they have alternate directions to go but if we really believe in the rule of law then we need to isolate them completely. No business with them at all, shut down every contact we have with them and take any pain that comes to our economy.Chinese aren't going to do that. Plus hasn't led to a regime change in North Korea - which in turn as just amped up its nuclear capabilities. And North Korea doesn't have a load of oil and gas that EU for now needs (Germany and Italy in particular)
One outcome of this will be a major shift in energy policy in EU
Apparently in polling in Russia on the run up to this only 8% of Russians support military action by the Russian army in Ukraine and only 9% support the separatists in Ukraine. Putin might have misread the room catastrophically on this. Be interesting to see if the protests in Russia increase tonight.
I know it isn’t going to be as effective and they have alternate directions to go but if we really believe in the rule of law then we need to isolate them completely. No business with them at all, shut down every contact we have with them and take any pain that comes to our economy.
Czech Republic follows Poland´s lead and closes its skies to Russian aircraft.
Now we need countries like Germany to do the same. As said above, completely isolate them.
The bloke has lost his mind
Well, I say that, but a quick look on Flight Radar and there are Aeroflot planes above both countries.
Not entirely sure what is going on.
Man United just cancelled a sponsorship deal with them
Man United just cancelled a sponsorship deal with them
There’s no fooling you is there?
Problem is there is no absolute rule of law. Everyone considers their own self interest first rule of law second.I know it isn’t going to be as effective and they have alternate directions to go but if we really believe in the rule of law then we need to isolate them completely. No business with them at all, shut down every contact we have with them and take any pain that comes to our economy.
Whole thing is bizarre.Russia just threatened finland and sweden if they tried to join nato.
Essentially Russia are trying to stop a nation joining nato ever again in the future by attacking any nation who shows intention to join, knowing nato will have it's hands tied and won't interfere with an attack on a nation that is not currently nato
That's too muchChucked out of the Eurovision Song Contest now.
Apparently a Moldovan merchant ship has been attacked and hit by the Russian navy 12 miles of the Ukrainian coast. No one killed by the sound of it and possibly a mistake rather than a deliberate attack but it’s easy to see how this could escalate to neighbouring countries. As we seen in the Vietnam war era with Cambodia and Laos.Whole thing is bizarre.
Are very few NATO troops in Baltic States and Poland. Putin's actions are going to change that.
There are no significant ethnic Russian populations in Sweden or Finland so he needs a new angle there. Even he will find it a hard sell that Sweden is a threat to his people.
The concern still remains (NATO or not) is if he repeats his tactics in Crimea / Ukraine with the sizeable Russian populations in Estonia and Latvia. Or maybe Moldova is next on his list.
Not much of a punishment really. More of a reward.That's too much
There's worse... Russia kicked out of 2022 Eurovision Song Contest. The World is fighting Back!That's too much
Chucked out of the Eurovision Song Contest now.
If I were Europe I would get those borders manned pretty sharpish. The USA will come into this just so they will be able to have a scrap. maybe a few mercenary Taliban would help as well...I saw the news conference with Angry Blonde Nikita earlier on. She's feisty....Says that its ok for the west to go into the middle east but not ok when Russia goes on walk-abouts. Said the British did Afghanistan, Iraq. Russia Today also had some guy in America talking much the same.Whole thing is bizarre.
Are very few NATO troops in Baltic States and Poland. Putin's actions are going to change that.
There are no significant ethnic Russian populations in Sweden or Finland so he needs a new angle there. Even he will find it a hard sell that Sweden is a threat to his people.
The concern still remains (NATO or not) is if he repeats his tactics in Crimea / Ukraine with the sizeable Russian populations in Estonia and Latvia. Or maybe Moldova is next on his list.
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