USSR invades Ukraine. (51 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

Why do people think I support the video?

You just went straight over it without comment , I don't necessarily think you support it but sometimes as stated its better to show empathy

 

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[Grendel]

Why do people think I support the video?

By your comment towards it which did not outright condemn.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You just went straight over it without comment , I don't necessarily think you support it but sometimes as stated its better to show empathy

By your comment towards it which did not outright condemn.

I said I agreed with Boosh's initial comments.

 

[David O'Day]

I wasn't referring to that one, have a look at the header on his profile

But yeah young Stalin was a right handsome bastard!

well vlad and grenners are both angry and short

 

[Evo1883]

I said I agreed with Boosh's initial comments.

Didn't see , sorry .


It's a truly horrendous video , the soldier should be court martialed and jailed.. let's remember we want them in nato with us .. they need to behave like us

 

[fernandopartridge]

It’s kind of an irrelevant argument though. The fact is Putin wholesale has invaded another country. Another country that is a democracy and willing to fight for it. That’s just a fact.

Ukraine has banned a load of opposition parties hasn't it, including the largest opposition party?

 

[Grendel]

well vlad and grenners are both angry and short

Ironic given that Mr Zelensky makes "little Rishi" look like a giant

 

[PVA]

By your comment towards it which did not outright condemn.

You didn't condemn Russia's atrocities so it's good to know you support the murder and torture of innocent civilians. Nice of you to finally admit it.

 

[Grendel]

Ukraine has banned a load of opposition parties hasn't it, including the largest opposition party?

Indeed it has

 

[Evo1883]

Indeed it has

Absolutely nobody on here aligns with their politics yet blindly follow them .. Ukraine is almost as fucking abhorrent as Russia politically

 

[skybluetony176]

Of course its nonsense. Russia is the US big bad boogeyman and the rest of us - well mostly us actually - just fall in line, salute the star spangled banner and obey.

I’m old enough to remember when you were slating Corbyns stance on Russia for not making out that they were the Bogeyman.

 

[Grendel]

I’m old enough to remember when you were slating Corbyns stance on Russia for not making out that they weren’t the Bogeyman.

Tony - keep up - if we are referring to the poisoning - I said all along it was a Putin assassination attempt and that Russia have dealt with numerous dissidents and spies over the years in this way. Oddly we never seemed that concerned

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Absolutely nobody on here aligns with their politics yet blindly follow them .. Ukraine is almost as fucking abhorrent as Russia politically

There is a difference between opposing the invasion and subsequent destruction, and thinking it's some kind of Utopia.

 

[Grendel]

There is a difference between opposing the invasion and subsequent destruction, and thinking it's some kind of Utopia.

Why are you opposing the invasion unless you consider it strategically? Ethically no one cares surely?

 

[Grendel]

I'm sure should say china invade russia tomorrow there would be widespread condemnation globally

If China invaded Tawain we would say nothing and do fuck all but roll out the red carpet for China at the Coronation

 

[Evo1883]

If China invaded Tawain we would say nothing and do fuck all but roll out the red carpet for China at the Coronation

Ah shit I deleted the post , point stands though .. felt like it was bordering whataboutism .. but its true though

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why are you opposing the invasion unless you consider it strategically? Ethically no one cares surely?

I do consider it of strategic importance and not just from a military point of view. Ethically, I'm never going to support unprovoked invasions of other countries.

You are also talking to someone who thinks Blair should be in the dock for Iraq

 

[Grendel]

I do consider it of strategic importance and not just from a military point of view. Ethically, I'm never going to support unprovoked invasions of other countries.

You are also talking to someone who thinks Blair should be in the dock for Iraq

Did you not vote for Labour under Mr Blair the after the invason?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Did you not vote for Labour under Mr Blair the after the invason?

My first general election was 2010

 

[fernandopartridge]

I do consider it of strategic importance and not just from a military point of view. Ethically, I'm never going to support unprovoked invasions of other countries.

You are also talking to someone who thinks Blair should be in the dock for Iraq

The USA cares about its strategic (non-military) importance but for opposing reasons to you.

 

[skybluetony176]

Ukraine has banned a load of opposition parties hasn't it, including the largest opposition party?

11 more opposition parties than Putin ever had. Weren’t they banned for being pro the invaders? Understandable under the circumstances you would think. How many have mysteriously fell out of windows? Or accidentally drank radioactive tea? How many opposition leaders are in jail? It’s a bit of a false equivalency really when you start looking at the details.

 

[fernandopartridge]

11 more opposition parties than Putin ever had. Weren’t they banned for being pro the invaders? Understandable under the circumstances you would think. How many have mysteriously fell out of windows? Or accidentally drank radioactive tea? How many opposition leaders are in jail? It’s a bit of a false equivalency really when you start looking at the details.

What's the objective test of whether or not a political party is 'pro-invasion'?

 

[tisza]

Ukraine has banned a load of opposition parties hasn't it, including the largest opposition party?

It's banned a load of parties with Russian-links since the invasion.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It's banned a load of parties with Russian-links since the invasion.

but why? is that democratic? Presumably there are people who live in Ukraine that support these parties? Is that not allowed in a democracy?

 

[skybluetony176]

Oddly we never seemed that concerned

And that’s proven to be a mistake. We’ve tried to appease Putin for years and it’s never worked. Why you think it will work now is beyond me.

 

[Grendel]

It's banned a load of parties with Russian-links since the invasion.

Isnt it referencing the exile of yanukovych?

 

[skybluetony176]

It's banned a load of parties with Russian-links since the invasion.

I honestly don’t know but the fact is there is opposition parties, they do have free and democratic elections. There is no comparison to the democratic process in Russia simply because there isn’t one in Russia. You’re trying to bestow an equivalence on Ukraine with Russia where there is non.

 

[tisza]

but why? is that democratic? Presumably there are people who live in Ukraine that support these parties? Is that not allowed in a democracy?

During WW2 would we have accepted political parties with official links to the Nazis or funding from them? When you have Ukrainian parliamentary committees sitting on issues related to the war would it be sensible to have pro-Russian MPs sitting on them? These are wartime decisions.

 

[SBAndy]

but why? is that democratic? Presumably there are people who live in Ukraine that support these parties? Is that not allowed in a democracy?

If the Electoral Commission were to discover a party (for argument’s sake, UKIP) were directly financially backed by a foreign state would you wilfully sit by hoping they didn’t get into power or would you expect the EC to take action?

 

[skybluetony176]

but why? is that democratic? Presumably there are people who live in Ukraine that support these parties? Is that not allowed in a democracy?

Also how do you define a political party. A quick look at the list and some of them amount to little more than pound shop National Actions. A self proclaimed political party banned in the UK.

 

[tisza]

Isnt it referencing the exile of yanukovych?

in the nearly 20 years i've had dealings there by far the most financially corrupt govt of the lot.

 

[fernandopartridge]

During WW2 would we have accepted political parties with official links to the Nazis or funding from them? When you have Ukrainian parliamentary committees sitting on issues related to the war would it be sensible to have pro-Russian MPs sitting on them? These are wartime decisions.

I get it - I just don't know what the objective measure is that could be applied to 11 different parties. It just feels a bit weird to me. In Britain the BUF was proscribed after the start of WW2 but it was an outright fascist party.

 

[fernandopartridge]

If the Electoral Commission were to discover a party (for argument’s sake, UKIP) were directly financially backed by a foreign state would you wilfully sit by hoping they didn’t get into power or would you expect the EC to take action?

Are all of those 11 opposition parties (including the largest one) all backed by the Russian federation? Like I keep asking. What is the objective test being applied?

 

[tisza]

Are all of those 11 opposition parties (including the largest one) all backed by the Russian federation? Like I keep asking. What is the objective test being applied?

Parties were banned by the National security council for pro-russian views even after the invasion - most were small with no MPs. Largest one splintered with the majority of the MPs forming a pro-EU accession party and against the Russian invasion.

 

[Sick Boy]

There’s next to no prospect of Ukraine joining the EU any time soon.