Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Let’s face it, Ukraine wouldn’t actually be the ones negotiating.
Let’s face it, Ukraine wouldn’t actually be the ones negotiating.It would need to be official to show that both sides accepted something they really didn’t want.
Let’s face it, Ukraine wouldn’t actually be the ones negotiating.
Donald is the only one saying he would seek to end the war tbf.Sleepy Joe, giggling Kamala and The Donald don’t fill me with confidence
Give it a restIndeed. Back down now and that is a red rag to a bull for Putin. He'd start ramping up plans to invade elsewhere cos no-one's got the balls to stop him.
There would likely be the same outcome under Demented Donald as well.The Biden administration know that Ukraine is doomed but can't lose face by pulling the plug and negotiating before the election.
As soon as Kackling Kamala is elected support will end.
Trouble is Zelenski and Ukraine have been wronged and us richous folks must stand up for them. Should have dealt last year, know it's a shit having to make concessions with that nutter, but if Trump gets in he might have to settle for worse.Errr.. peace is the right thing , talk and negotiate a peace deal .
This war will never be won by Ukraine and as stated many many many times before could escalate further
There must be a role for Slippery Slimeball Starmer.There would likely be the same outcome under Demented Donald as well.
I didn’t say or think they would be. But seeing as what should actually be happening is full Russian withdrawal and reparations, officially recognising NATO membership for Ukraine in exchange for keeping territory they stole is a very generous offer.Let’s face it, Ukraine wouldn’t actually be the ones negotiating.
Well said that man.Poland know the crack
The alternative is to expensively fund a stalemate or actually tip the balance with attacks on Russia itself.Negotiate a 'peace' deal?
People still just don't get it.
The alternative is to expensively fund a stalemate or actually tip the balance with attacks on Russia itself.
Just hand me the pieces thenIt's another game of chess,calculated!
Nobody needs to attack Russia, they need to give Ukraine what it needs. The chance to do that most easily was missed though.
Isn't what Ukraine needs, and is asking for, is the ability to attack Russia?
They gave them tanks, they didn't make an impact.
They have planes, they still cant push them back.
Strike a deal, make consessions, break the stalemate without hitting the big button.
yes and no. It’s how to deal with Putin’s brinkmanship.It is a tricky one.
On one hand I don't see why Ukraine should negotiate anything other than the complete restoration of its pre-2014 borders. Bullies like Putin should always be stood up to.
On the other hand I don't think Ukraine is worth having a Nuclear war over
But the trouble is Trump is the most volatile and unpredictable of them all.Donald is the only one saying he would seek to end the war tbf.
All the others are rubbing their hands at the prospect of WW3
Apart from Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria and Pakistan. Didn’t he famously break US bombing records too? I remember reading an article early in his presidency that the US dropped 7500 bombs in one day. For the purpose of equivalence Obama’s record was something 1500 in one day. IIRC he then went on to drop more bombs in his first 18 months in his presidency than Obama did in 2 terms. Not sure where you’re getting your stats from but it’s clearly bullshit of the highest order.He never bombed anyone or invaded anywhere.
Yep, just fact checked, BS source.Apart from Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria and Pakistan. Didn’t he famously break US bombing records too? I remember reading an article early in his presidency that the US dropped 7500 bombs in one day. For the purpose of equivalence Obama’s record was something 1500 in one day. IIRC he then went on to drop more bombs in his first 18 months in his presidency than Obama did in 2 terms. Not sure where you’re getting your stats from but it’s clearly bullshit of the highest order.
But the trouble is Trump is the most volatile and unpredictable of them all.
All it's take it Putin to call him stupid or something and he'd be immediately threatening to destroy them.
I think the Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting to a few of you on here.
Clown or not, he's the most likely to be able to make some consessions with Putin, and a lot less likely to get pulled into all out war than the Democrats.
He's the most likely to be able to make some consessions with Putin
Well you're sort of right.I think the Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting to a few of you on here.
Clown or not, he's the most likely to be able to make some consessions with Putin, and a lot less likely to get pulled into all out war than the Democrats.
Thousands of lives will be lost if Kyiv denied permission to use western weapons in Russia, Zelenskyy says – as it happened
Ukraine president expected to reiterate plea to use western weapons deep inside Russia when he meets Joe Bidenwww.theguardian.com
who'd have thought this:
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It won’t be long until Starmer gets the punchbag out à la Macron.
On a poorly maintained pitch after a international rugby event!We will fight them — in the Arsenal corporate box
I see the ‘Victory Plan’ is being presented later this week with further demands…I’m sure that’s what the infamous counteroffensive was called at one point as well.
I’m not mocking it; the whole thing has been a massive waste of human life, misery and money. I’d like to see the fighting end ASAP.The nearly 3 year war was once called a 3 day special operation, but yeah it's Ukraine's counteroffensive efforts that should be mocked
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