eastwoodsdustman
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Someone from inside his circle will get it done if things dont go 100% in Ukraine. He’s getting more erratic and even his allues wont like him going too far.
USSR invades Ukraine. (26 Viewers)
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Sky Blue Pete
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Was it 4 years it took in ww2 and then Bosnia we took a while to respond.
We need to understand why Putin is doing this and what he wants
If it’s something we can give then the world needs to do it and if it’s not the world needs to take overwhelming action that putin doesn’t waste time and lives before he realises he won’t get it
Let’s not for one minute think the USA will act unless they are affected directly.
So our response should be to cave to Putin’s demands as much as humanly possible?
David O'Day
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The USA will act if a NATO ally is attacked
Sky Blue Pete
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It depends. If all this about him looking strong to stay in power or to pick who follows him then what can be done to make him look strong
If it’s about a legacy and he’s chosen war rather than Gorbachev choosing peace then he needs to know asap that we are not all talk
I am sure behind the scenes there are conversations going on with China to exert pressure.
It’s bad enough knowing we could have done something in Bosnia but couldn’t be arsed. It feels worse that we’ve known what’s coming and are impotent to stop civilians dying in Ukraine cause they aren’t a member of nato
Sky Blue Pete
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I admire your optimism
skybluetony176
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Looks like the Champions league final has been taken off St Petersburg.
David O'Day
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It's the very fucking reason the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation exists.
To say all NATO allies will not protect each other is as fucking stupid as the people derping on about nuclear war.
Bugsy
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no disrespect Pete but its to soft in saying we need to understand why Putin doing it or give him what he needs, he has never thought twice about this attack, hence why he had militarily personal scattered around the place. he is killing innocent people as we speak.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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So you would rather scrap it then? Have nothing at all whatsoever?
Come on. That is totally ridiculous. If we had Corbyn we wouldn't even have that. I know you don't like to hear it, but it is fact.
David O'Day
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I agree with you. The only defence against nuclear weapons is Mutually Assured Destruction and for that to apply both sides need to have nuclear weapons
tisza
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He's been quite clear over the last few years with various interviews, articles and speeches that it is to expand Russia's area of influence to levels near what the former USSR had. Been quite clear of last few months that the minimum is to remove NATO forces form the Baltic states - something that obviously cannot be given in light of today's events.
Quite obvious the more you give the more he will ask for.
Does seem a certain amount of false hope that Russian public opinion will alter Putin's actions. Far more likely there would be more crackdowns on internal dissent.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It is the best insurance policy we have by a mile and the damage those missiles can do is staggering.
We have four submarines with 8 bombs on each. Each of these bombs is around eight times as destructive as the bomb which flattened Hiroshima. If someone tries to fuck with us then we are able to do some serious damage to them. The concept of that alone is a serious deterrent.
Scraping it is absolute madness, especially when we face the situation we do right now. It amazes me that people's love for Corbyn can blind them so much into thinking that we would be better off with nothing.
tisza
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Also the will to use them. When you have only one voice on one side and multiple voices on the other becomes more complicated.
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It's not love for Corbyn. Don't go for the massive leaps
David O'Day
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MAD reduces and removes the will to use nuclear weapons.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It is partly to do with it.
If he would have been voted in, it would be gone. We are on the verge of all out world war 3 and it is by far the best thing to keep us safe from being potentially attacked.
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No it isn't. I said simply it's not much of a defence. That's nothing to do with anything other than my view that it's not much of a defence
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It is a defence though. It is nowhere near as bad as some people are making out and it is certainly better than nothing.
If Corbyn was in we would have that, nothing. People don't like it being pointed out.
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Not really
Sky Blue Pete
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So he can do what he likes in Ukraine cause we won’t act for fear of escalating the crisis. Ok
Sky Blue Pete
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Interesting
skybluetony176
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Fox News has more influence than Corbyn and they’ve just been talking about their stance on LBC and it’s quite staggering. Agent’s of Russia isn’t and understatement. That’s Fox News, owned by Murdoch and who’s UK media arm helped sell the UK Brexit.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It has a lot of influence if Russia decide to take on the world and we have absolutely no means of defence. It isn´t hard to spot the apologists at all.
Just accept that your vote would have meant us being walked over. My last say on the matter.
Bugsy
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NO, that's what I'm saying he shouldn't be able to do what he likes and get away with it. maybe I got the wrong end or something, its going to escalate regardless now.
David O'Day
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Nationalise the thing
skybluetony176
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Looks like Putin hasn’t extinguished all critics in Russia.
www.themoscowtimes.com
Needs his inner circle to fall though. We need full sanctions to hurt his inner circle hard and make them think about consequences. How loyal will they be if they don’t have access to their acquired wealth.
Russian Celebrities, Public Figures Speak Out Against Ukraine War - The Moscow Times
Russian celebrities, journalists and other public figures have voiced opposition to President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine on Thursday, with activists planning to stage an anti-war rally in central Moscow this evening.
Needs his inner circle to fall though. We need full sanctions to hurt his inner circle hard and make them think about consequences. How loyal will they be if they don’t have access to their acquired wealth.
skybluetony176
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They’re not in a rush to address it. Chris Bryant has just used parliamentary privilege to raise the issue in the commons and the head of the commons has just brushed it off suggesting it’s addressed on Monday.
Sky Blue Pete
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I was just trying to map out an understanding. Eventually a solution and peace will be agreed why not do it at the start and if not putin needs to know nothing he does will be acceptable
At the moment he’s threatened Ukraine we’ve said don’t and he’s said whatever. We’ve said don’t try it on with a nato country or we’ll get involved for real. Mmmmmm
chiefdave
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What are you on about. Corbyn isn't, and never has been, PM or Foreign Secretary. What he does or doesn't want to do makes absolutely no difference to anything.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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If one single nuclear bomb is launched from either side that'll be the end. I can't see you can have a limited nuclear exchange. Whether we have one nuclear sub or one hundred it's all quite academic.
Flying Fokker
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I think he will be taken out by his own people who will blame the West…