Grendel
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You do accept surely that direct western involvement between two non NATO countries is a breach of NATO rules and as illegal as Blair and Bush and their fun and games in the Middle East?
USSR invades Ukraine. (12 Viewers)
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You do accept surely that direct western involvement between two non NATO countries is a breach of NATO rules and as illegal as Blair and Bush and their fun and games in the Middle East?
Brighton Sky Blue
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We have already provided substantial materiel. Planes on top of that is not much more.
But again-you think Russia was provoked into the invasion-in other words blaming the victim
skybluetony176
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Which NATO rule?
JAM See
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Flying Fokker
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In all of this, the Russians think that way. So with respect to people, our views count a tad less. But….Russia’s narrative has been consistent if nothing else.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I mean unless I’m very much mistaken G isn’t Russian
Flying Fokker
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Are you suggesting Grendel’s narrative is consistent?
tisza
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Narrative has been consistent with any aggressive invader - find any justification and play it up. They continue to hold this line because they've ended up in a protracted conflict that they were not expecting. Took Crimea with little serious international grief. Been fighting in Donbas & Luhansk since 2014 without any serious international opposition/aggravation so consolidating that area would have been far less controversial or provocative.
Maybe could have simply directed all their efforts in Feb 2022 into Donbas & Luhansk. Would have been simpler and presented the "West" with a fait accompli. Let's not kid ourselves - if they had reached Kiev in that first week they would have taken the whole country for themselves.
tisza
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Caveat is US admits it would take 16 months to train them and the logistical support (maintenance etc) would still be a nightmare.
Mcbean
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But it’s a lot less than Typhoon and far more practical as an air solution as I believe Poland has some ?
fernandopartridge
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Grendel
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Not so funny for the people who have been murdered, raped and had their lives destroyed by the war or previous wars is it though?
Grendel
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Well it is given the moral high ground taken on this thread and the belief the US cares a fuck what Russia do in Ukraine
Hahaha yes war crimes are so funny aren't they
David O'Day
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laugh at him, he's made a big enough fool of himself being esb's halfwit sidekick
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So because of the views of other people on here you think people not being held to account for war crimes is hilarious?
Grendel
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I think the people on here who supported Blair and Bush in their little war and describe Blair as a great PM are hypocrites of the highest order. Do you?
It doesn't matter who the good guys are, war crimes, surprisingly enough, are not hilarious.
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Grendel
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Nope you are. Was Blair a good PM? Yes or no? It’s I know difficult here for you as you I’m sure supported Blair despite the fact he himself allied to Bush and a war which was illegal and where torture was encouraged.
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The point at issue is that you think it is hilarious that war crimes potentially go unpunished.
Evo1883
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They've committed some henious crimes themselves
Flying Fokker
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Grendel
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i find the double standards hilarious
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You don't think saying it's hilarious is crass and insensitive to the innocent victims?
At least I don't find war crimes hilarious and think the invaders are the good guys.
Grendel
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No one gives a fuck about victims on the other side of a war on any side - it’s war