USSR invades Ukraine. (3 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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The funniest thing was watching a bloke who hid in a fridge to avoid being asked a question writing in his newspaper column that he would be ready to fight for his country if he’d been conscripted.
No the west failed Russia at that juncture.
skybluetony176
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Bad day for Putin today. Firstly the EU rubber stamp €50 billion aid package for Ukraine and it looks like a Ukrainian drone attack has just sunk another Russian warship.
duffer
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The idea that being gay or "woke" makes you weak at either an individual, societal, or military level is ludicrous.
These fucking right-wing anti-woke nutters are usually the first to dodge the military when push comes to shove (e.g. that chicken shit, cowardly c**t, draft-dodger, Trump).
The toughest, bravest, bloke I ever met was a five-and-a-half foot, ten stone wet-through, old boy, who was a retired Commando who'd served in WW2.
He wouldn't talk about it often, only ever when drunk, and he never bragged, but there was no doubt that he had been a stone cold killer. He'd had to be to survive.
Entirely incidentally, he was also gay, which I'm sure must have been hell for his generation. Imagine going through all of that hideousness for your country and then coming back home and having to hide who you are.
Thank God we've moved on - that's worth fighting for.
Sick Boy
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There's still a hell of a long way to go until we're at the stage where same-sex couples are able to walk down the street or kiss in public without fear of repercussions.
skybluetony176
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He sounds like a cousin of mine. He’s one of 3 brothers all off who had ambitions to join the forces. His 2 older brothers got in but he couldn’t, he tried but he wouldn’t deny his sexuality and at the time out gay men were not allowed to serve in the forces. He’s as camp as Christmas so he was always going to get asked about his sexuality. Like your mate he also happens to be vertically challenged and skinny. Thing is I’ve seen him in a fight and he’s a fighter, he knocked out a guy twice his size very easily. Born to be a soldier. It was the Paras he tried to join IIRC.
duffer
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I got rejected by Army recruitment for being "too bolshy". In fairness it was probably the right decision for all parties.
I'm certain your cousin would've made a far better soldier than me in every respect, but certainly he would have been tougher by a order of magnitude or two.
Sick Boy
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I’d have got the wooden spoon for even considering it!I got rejected by Army recruitment for being "too bolshy". In fairness it was probably the right decision for all parties.
I'm certain your cousin would've made a far better soldier than me in every respect, but certainly he would have been tougher by an order of magnitude or two.
Clearly you should have joined the other side for being bolshy?I got rejected by Army recruitment for being "too bolshy". In fairness it was probably the right decision for all parties.
I'm certain your cousin would've made a far better soldier than me in every respect, but certainly he would have been tougher by a order of magnitude or two.
duffer
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Clearly you should have joined the other side for being bolshy?
I don't think my Russian's up to it mate.
They wouldn't have liked my drinking either; I don't think I could manage more than half a bottle of vodka a day.
Grendel
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I don't think my Russian's up to it mate.
They wouldn't have liked my drinking either; I don't think I could manage more than half a bottle of vodka a day.
I could.
Sick Boy
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This article has a table with growth across countries - https://www.ft.com/content/21a5be9c-afaa-495f-b7af-cf937093144d - I see the countries looking to shift the balance of global power (China, India and Russia) aren't doing too badly compared to the west.
Grendel
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Inflation slashed by 10% points and forecast at 2% by 2026 as well
Bit better than when the Soviet Union collapsed in the early 90’s
Because of incredible levels of defence spending.
Social infrastructure is declining. Living standards are getting worse. Whenever the war stops, their economy is in deep shit.
Of course the same people saying the US wants this war to go on forever to boost their economy can't see the irony in their comments on the Russian economy.
Grendel
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Obviously- well to most it seems
You don't think Russia's municipal and social infrastructure is failing and being neglected at the expense of the war? They are halving their spending on housing and communal services for the next two years at least. Even though 44% of the country's utility infrastructure has passed its life expectancy.
What about Putin's decree on Russian exporters to prop up the ruble, what effect do you think that is having?
So yeah the economy might look good on paper, but it's at the expense of the Russian public and infrastructure. With a severely depleted workforce.
Grendel
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They also of course will benefit by having most of Ukraine’s infrastructure destroyed before any attempt to look at a peaceful solution
Grendel
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Most definitely and businesses and governments across the globe will be happy and relieved when this happens
Yes, have you?
The FT article quoted above even says the exact same things I've said:
Do you agree with the above?
Also, the Russian economy shrank in 2022. So of course it's easier to get higher growth % from a lower starting point. Basic maths.
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Grendel
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You don’t seem to have linked the whole article. Strange?
The outlook is growth and higher growth along with India and China vs most western economies - this despite punitive sanctions which will inevitably disappear once the war ends
Ukraine meanwhile has a less encouraging outlook does it not? This despite have billions of wasted money poured into it
Grendel
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That can’t be right surely
Are you OK? The article was linked already. I just said that.
I was saying it essentially agrees with me - economy looks strong at the moment but won't last.
The head of the Russian Central bank literally says exactly that.
Grendel
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Yes I’m fine thanks but you did not link the whole article - the forecast by 2026 suggests it have inflation back to only 2%
I believe you and many thought that the sanctions would end the Russian resistance and bring its economy to its knees causing the country to crumble.
In fact it’s now predicted to recover to pre war levels as early as next year
You are again also failing to recognise the growth impact of the lifting of sanctions. Trade with non western allies of course has never faltered either.
Oh and before you say sanctions won’t be lifted Europe have been buying oil through the back door
Europe Is Guzzling Diesel From India, a Key Buyer of Russian Oil
Europe banned most oil shipments from Russia almost a year ago, but it’s binging on diesel that may well have been made from Russian crude.
www.bloomberg.com
Ukraines outlook by comparison is dire.
And us, shouldn't forget that!Yes I’m fine thanks but you did not link the whole article - the forecast by 2026 suggests it have inflation back to only 2%
I believe you and many thought that the sanctions would end the Russian resistance and bring its economy to its knees causing the country to crumble.
In fact it’s now predicted to recover to pre war levels as early as next year
You are again also failing to recognise the growth impact of the lifting of sanctions. Trade with non western allies of course has never faltered either.
Oh and before you say sanctions won’t be lifted Europe have been buying oil through the back door
Europe Is Guzzling Diesel From India, a Key Buyer of Russian Oil
Europe banned most oil shipments from Russia almost a year ago, but it’s binging on diesel that may well have been made from Russian crude.
Ukraines outlook by comparison is dire.
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