USSR invades Ukraine. (4 Viewers)
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Sick Boy
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No one on here runs “interference” for Putin. There are just different opinions on how to bring about an end to the conflict.
What does wartime press censorship in Ukraine have to do with it?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Russia was provoked, Ukraine is full of Nazis, Zelensky's wealth, Ukraine is corrupt, USA is bad, etc etc
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But I'm pointing out that reporting in wartime will be restricted in all countries, including our own. It's hardly something to claim Ukraine is corrupt with, especially considering the disinformation Russia has been peddling about the war.
Putin windmilling after comments by Macron and Cameron
Russia will hold tactical nuclear weapons drills
Russia will hold tactical nuclear weapons drills in response to recent comments by France and the UK, the Kremlin said.
www.bbc.co.uk
fatso
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That's exactly what Napoleon and Hitler thought.
They've got 140 million people so Putin ain't about to run out.
And their whole manufacturing base is on a war footing, so they are out performing the whole of Nato.
It's not looking good, and I'm struggling to see how the West can de-esculate the situation.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well it’s not as in both cases they were invading rather than being invaded
fatso
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Who owns the land your dying on is largely irrelevant.
And according to Putin, its Russian land he's liberating.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well it’s not as the problem both Hitler and Napoleon faced was massively overstretched supply routes and being underprepared for the Russian winter.
Ukraine are not trying to capture all of Russia, just eject them from their own territory.
Not remotely comparable.
They have anywhere between 300,000 and 500,000 in Ukraine at the moment. They lost 95,000 in one year to capture 0.07% of Ukraine and circa 500,000 overall since the war began. I don't care how big the population is that is just not sustainable.
Not are the equipment losses. Yes they're on a war footing, but they're still losing more equipment than they can produce. As an example they are currently producing 7 tanks per day but they lost 25 tanks yesterday.
fatso
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It's disputed territory, that America was using for CIA bases, and attempting to get Ukraine to join NATO, that's the whole argument for the invasion
I'm not saying I agree or support it, but the facts are that Ukrain was being courted by NATO, and when Russia did likewise in Cuba back in 1962, it very nearly resulted in WW3. I can't help think that our global leaders have learnt very little.
Skybluekyle
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Ukraine's independence was ratified by a Referendum and agreed to by Yeltsin in 91. The facts are, NATO has always maintained it has an "open door" policy to membership, and, if we are including "facts", Russia has done nothing but destabilise a separate sovereign nation since 2014. If you don't agree or support, maybe stop peddling Russia lies and misinformation.
fatso
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I'm sure its a myth that they can't re-supply.
They continue to manage a slow advance and now have total air control apparently.
Talking of tanks, the Americans sent 16 of their Abrahms tanks, and according to yesterday's figures, (depends if you believe it of course) 8 have already been destroyed and the rest have been withdrawn.
Russia has also apparently paraded captured German tanks in Moscow.
We now have French foreign legion troops fighting alongside German forces on the front lines and taking casualties.
That's quite an escalation.
I can't help thinking that now might be a good time to try and reach a peace agreement before the whole of Ukraine falls.
It's sounding like a shit show.
fatso
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You have to laugh when anyone who posts anything newsworthy that doesn't toe the official western stance gets accused of peddling Russian lies and misinformation.
I tell you what, when Russian troops march into the Ukraine capital, I'll bump your post and ask you to explain what suddenly went "wrong"
Brighton Sky Blue
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This sounds like blaming the victim to me.
fatso
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The agreement was broken (according to Putin) when America put CIA bases in Ukraine and encouraged their enrolment in Nato.
Ukraine was meant to be a demilitarised neutral zone.
fatso
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Not really, I think the people of Ukraine are poor victims of disastrous American foreign policy.
It's been said before that America will fight Russia to the very last Ukrainian.
Skybluekyle
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So, instead of taking my quote that "NATO has an open-door policy to membership" as a win, as technically that could fit your agenda that NATO is "courting" Ukraine, even though I don't think it is, you just elect to say how you will rub it in my face if, and that is a pretty big IF, Russia manage to complete their illegal and unjustified invasion of Ukraine? I wouldn't go as far as to say you're a Russian bot, but you have either some weird fixation with "being right" or have communist/imperialist tendencies.
fatso
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You seem to have a fixation with being wrong! Or are you in denial?
Even the most foolhardy would struggle to suggest that Russia isn't winning now.
For the record I have no desire to see them win, but it's looking inevitable now as Ukraine forces are being pushed back and they have no air defence left.
You can argue the toss all day about the rights and wrongs, but the outcome is now inevitable unless Nato chooses direct intervention, which as Moscow has warned will result in a nuclear engagement.
I'd sooner see an agreed settlement now. (as I've stated above)
And I'd imagine that means Russia taking large parts of Ukraine.
skybluetony176
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The US sent 31 Abram’s not 16.
Another example of Kremlin propaganda being posted in here.
SIR ERNIE
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It was a war they could never win SB.
Grendel
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Come off it the war expert on here says russias position is unsustainable
