torchomatic
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About as much as saying "lessons will be learnt" or May 'talking tough'.
What does saying love London etc do against terrorists?
So we are going to start locking people up for what they think. Bloody hell glad the BNP didn't get inLife in prison for these extremists or those with extremist views
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How many wars in history have been won by the power of love?What does saying love London etc do against terrorists?
Means we don't become them. Hateful, vengeful sick bitter and twisted human beings who want to see others suffer for the activity of a few bastardsWhat does saying love London etc do against terrorists?
How do they stop???! Fighting??? There are times of course but they need to make things better.How many wars in history have been won by the power of love?
Life in prison for these extremists or those with extremist views
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How many wars in history have been won by the power of love?
None I would say
Also, they keep going on about "dont let this affect us", "they wont win" and "stand together". Yet they circulate this
Exactly what you should be looking and thinking at when going for a beer with your mates on a Saturday night. That's showing ISIS again.
That didn't answer it.Means we don't become them. Hateful, vengeful sick bitter and twisted human beings who want to see others suffer for the activity of a few bastards
Personally think it was a good idea. Makes sense. We did it.
There isn't an answer. It doesn't stop attacks is that what you want me to say?That didn't answer it.
So we are going to start locking people up for what they think. Bloody hell glad the BNP didn't get in
can't imagine what it was like to be in that situation mate, must have been terrifying.
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A neighbour of the Barking flat believed to belong to one of the attackers has described him as "very much a member of the community".
Damien Pettit (above) said the man had been "very family-orientated" and that his wife had just had another child.
Reports that the he had been one of the London Bridge attackers were "very hard to understand", he said.
Furqan Nabi, who also lives in the area, said he used to see the man playing table tennis in the lobby of the building and playing with his children.
My thoughts
Just how does one legislate for that?????
And will take a generation or more to fight. Look at the way society is set up against the younger generation in terms of job opportunity and in terms of affordable housing?worrying indeed that someone who doesn't fit the extremist stereotype shares the same views. Strongly believe this problem runs deeper than we think
If what they are think is in support of terrorist groups then absolutely.So we are going to start locking people up for what they think. Bloody hell glad the BNP didn't get in
And will take a generation or more to fight. Look at the way society is set up against the younger generation in terms of job opportunity and in terms of affordable housing?
No justification but tricky to warp the mind of a fulfilled and content person
One of the attackers was reported by someone who knew him and no action was taken.View attachment 7566
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A neighbour of the Barking flat believed to belong to one of the attackers has described him as "very much a member of the community".
Damien Pettit (above) said the man had been "very family-orientated" and that his wife had just had another child.
Reports that the he had been one of the London Bridge attackers were "very hard to understand", he said.
Furqan Nabi, who also lives in the area, said he used to see the man playing table tennis in the lobby of the building and playing with his children.
My thoughts
Just how does one legislate for that?????
One of the attackers was reported by someone who knew him and no action was taken.
He was worried he had been radicalised after a conversation where he justified the actions of another terrorist attack which had taken place.
So at least one of the attackers could have been stopped
It sounds good in theory but how would it work in practice. You'd have to lock up people who have committed no actual crime for life with no trial and no chance of release. That would likely act as a huge recruitment boost to the likes of ISIS so you'd have to be certain you'd got them all and had totally secure borders.If what they are think is in support of terrorist groups then absolutely.
It's not ijust disaffection it's that the is the breeding ground for someone coming in and saying you can be a hero do this etc etc etcIf you are blaming the "disaffected youth" why is the disaffection restricted to one ideology?
I agreeIt sounds good in theory but how would it work in practice. You'd have to lock up people who have committed no actual crime for life with no trial and no chance of release. That would likely act as a huge recruitment boost to the likes of ISIS so you'd have to be certain you'd got them all and had totally secure borders.
There's 8K on the current watchlist. That's £320m a year to keep them locked up but you've also got to fund catching them and creating enough prison spaces to take them.
And how do you prevent any risk of getting the wrong person? Its easy to say that doesn't matter, a small percentage incorrectly locked up is a price worth paying, but what if it was a member of your family, your son for example arrested at a young age and placed in prison for life.
There's no easy solution but there are things we can do relatively quickly and easily:
Stop involving ourselves in everything. Don't get involved in Syria, Iraq, Libya etc.
Don't sell arms. Certainly not to countries like Saudi Arabia but personally I wouldn't have an issue with us not exporting arms to any other country, or at least vastly reducing the countries we sell to.
Reverse the police cuts. Get more police on the streets and into communities so we have more chance of preventing these attacks.
Much tougher penalties for those found to be involved or having assisted in terrorism or promoting terrorism.
Those things won't be a complete solution to the current problems but its a start we can make pretty quickly.
Got back from the stag do this afternoon. We were a mile from the attack last night...thankfully all of our party were accounted for and safe.
A hotel near ours were taking in the walking wounded and some of my mates said they saw some of the injured.
When I got back to our hotel about midnight, there were people there who didn't know what to do as they couldn't get home as the police had shut down Liverpool St station. I ended up offering two random New Zealand ladies and a bloke from Worcester my floor which they accepted. Sorted them out with pillows and towels...quite surprised as I was steaming...guess instinct just kicked in.
Wankers anyway that did it. Glad the police put bullets in them.
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I agree
Thanks for handing us that one.This will become a massive issue for the next generation.
How? It's not a crimeOne of the attackers was reported by someone who knew him and no action was taken.
He was worried he had been radicalised after a conversation where he justified the actions of another terrorist attack which had taken place.
So at least one of the attackers could have been stopped
I don't know how you fight for freedom by reducing freedom. I accept temporary measures, specific to a situation for a specific time but not wholesaleI agree with funding of police on streets for all sorts of reasons
However, reduced involvement in Middle East politics now is too late. That horse has bolted. If you look at other European countries their involvement has been moderate in comparison but ultimately they have experienced many Islamic issues as well.
This will become a massive issue for the next generation. This is not a race issue but an ideological struggle. The dullards who blow themselves up will always be the same - drug addled losers persuaded by a "cause"
We act ruthlessly to make the recruited suffer by detention or restricted movement or we roll over and accept one day we will be an Islamic State.
This is a real danger and if people's liberty suffers restriction it's a small price to pay.
This is now a struggle of ideology. Freedom and democracy against radicalism, sexism and expression of sexuality.
We must not lose
Well it should be a crime to support and justify terrorist acts, why is it not? The law needs changing.How? It's not a crime
I agree with funding of police on streets for all sorts of reasons
However, reduced involvement in Middle East politics now is too late. That horse has bolted. If you look at other European countries their involvement has been moderate in comparison but ultimately they have experienced many Islamic issues as well.
This will become a massive issue for the next generation. This is not a race issue but an ideological struggle. The dullards who blow themselves up will always be the same - drug addled losers persuaded by a "cause"
We act ruthlessly to make the recruited suffer by detention or restricted movement or we roll over and accept one day we will be an Islamic State.
This is a real danger and if people's liberty suffers restriction it's a small price to pay.
This is now a struggle of ideology. Freedom and democracy against radicalism, sexism and expression of sexuality.
We must not lose
Well done. Heartwarming to know how people come together and help each other out. Great work
"However, reduced involvement in Middle East politics now is too late."
to an extent you're correct, but the Saudis still haven't got the war that they and their best friend in the region, Israel (in an your enemies enemy is your friend type way), really want, and that's war with Iran - Obama stopped that last time, the only good thing he did in the region, we must foil any further attempts, (though I'm not confident given may and trumps rhetoric when they visited ISIS main sponsors when they were in the region recently).
"This is now a struggle of ideology. Freedom and democracy against radicalism, sexism and expression of sexuality.
We must not lose"
100% agree. Let's start by releasing the suppressed report on Saudi Arabias links to Islamism and ceasing the supply of weapons to them immediately.
Agree but it won't dry up the supply of knives, white vans and treacherous "British" citizens. I fear we are looking at a different problem
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