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Grendel

Grendel

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Deleted member 9744 said:
Ah, the old stats don't count if they don't backup my gut feeling argument.
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Well no as it seems clubs are prepared to pay £10 plus for Sheaf which they will not for Eccles
 
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Cally Fedora

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shmmeee said:
Why didn’t we get promoted last season?

The league table is just a collection of stats, means nothing.
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In relation to player performance/value. I agree you can use them if you are, for instance, measuring the daily temperature but that’s as pointless as saying the league table is made up of them. They will tell you nothing about a players ability.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Cally Fedora said:
In relation to player performance/value. I agree you can use them if you are, for instance, measuring the daily temperature but that’s as pointless as saying the league table is made up of them. They will tell you nothing about a players ability.
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Number of goals scored doesn’t tell you about a striker? Number of tackles won doesn’t tell you about a defender? Nonsense.
 
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Cally Fedora

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No, it won’t. Haaland scores lots and lots of goals. Is he the best striker out there? Not a chance. Gets spoon fed chance after chance. When a defender makes a tackle is it because they were caught out of position and had to rather than not having to because they intercepted the ball. The ebb and flow of a game is far too nuanced for stats to mean anything.
 
fatso

fatso

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shmmeee said:
Why didn’t we get promoted last season?

The league table is just a collection of stats, means nothing.
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If kitching won more headers and tackles and got more blocks in than Lionel Messi last season, does it mean that he's a better player and therefore worth more?

There has to he some context applied to player stats.

Even league tables can be manipulated, ie points per £ spent on squad etc etc etc
 
BlueSkiesForever

BlueSkiesForever

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Probably get massively slated for this but whenever I hear of a potential transfer the first thing I do is type in the players name followed by the words “fifa 24”. Clearly not an official or proper way of monitoring a player’s ability but gives you a quick idea of what the general consensus is of that player and what they’re good/bad at.

Obviously the best thing to do is watch them in person but even highlight reels can show a biased point of view of a player’s ability. Very hard to give an accurate depiction of anyone’s ability unless you follow them week in week out.
 
SBAndy

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BlueSkiesForever said:
Probably get massively slated for this but whenever I hear of a potential transfer the first thing I do is type in the players name followed by the words “fifa 24”. Clearly not an official or proper way of monitoring a player’s ability but gives you a quick idea of what the general consensus is of that player and what they’re good/bad at.

Obviously the best thing to do is watch them in person but even highlight reels can show a biased point of view of a player’s ability. Very hard to give an accurate depiction of anyone’s ability unless you follow them week in week out.
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So you use stats, albeit very subjective ones. I tend to hop on FotMob and see what their statistical breakdown is compared to others in that respective league playing in that position. The idea that stats are worthless is for the birds; if that’s the case, then why do clubs have data analysis departments at all? The data creates your shortlist, the eye test gives clarity over which ones are worth pursuing.
 
TomRad85

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SBAndy said:
So you use stats, albeit very subjective ones. I tend to hop on FotMob and see what their statistical breakdown is compared to others in that respective league playing in that position. The idea that stats are worthless is for the birds; if that’s the case, then why do clubs have data analysis departments at all? The data creates your shortlist, the eye test gives clarity over which ones are worth pursuing.
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Yeh pretty much this. If you want to shop in a big pond you really need the stats to narrow it down. Then you go and watch to get the whole picture.

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BlueSkiesForever

BlueSkiesForever

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SkyBlueSam01 said:
It's so obvious that both stats and subjective opinion are really important in judging a player. Football is both a science and an art.

To suggest that either are a complete waste of time is frankly batshit.
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Bang on, I think stats give you a flavour and watching a player gives you a bit more insight, however it’s almost impossible for us as fans to understand the abilities of any given player if we don’t watch them perform every week.
 
skybluecam

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TomRad85 said:
Stats are useful but they absolutely do not tell you everything. Watching the player will always tell you more. The obsession with basic stats is very American.

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Of course watching the player will tell you more, but one can only watch so much football.

Still, Sheaf is better. And Eccles is yet to hit even his level of 2 years ago.
 
TomRad85

TomRad85

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skybluecam said:
Of course watching the player will tell you more, but one can only watch so much football.

Still, Sheaf is better. And Eccles is yet to hit even his level of 2 years ago.
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Yeh I know, I've literally said that further down. I also agree Sheaf is better than Eccles. This forum is very argumentative outside of the football season.

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SleepyGinger

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Some talk on twitter that he’s injured, not sure how reliable but I haven’t seen him on the last few unseen videos.
 
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