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Chipfat · Nov 6, 2015

Great post Gren, See i do give credit where it is due. And trust me i don't normally read your post with hope of agreeing.

I don't doubt for 1 minute that he could charm a few with his down to earth chat, but his record has been terrible and no way should he get away with covering it over with i worked hard or i was committed. That should be a given, fans have been treated so badly by previous directors that him being approachable is masking what most should be asking, was he good for the club? and did he do a good job?. In my opinion he wasn't and the only progress has been made since he was told to take a back seat.

Lastly, if he was such a good guy and cared for the fans feelings he would of walked the first time Sixfields was mentioned, instead he tried to appease and went along with the whole mess until it became unattainable to carry on. So i am happy he has gone and cant wait for Fisher to follow then we may see an upturn in gates to match a club that wants to go forward on and off the field.

chiefdave · Nov 6, 2015

Chipfat said:
I don't doubt for 1 minute that he could charm a few with his down to earth chat

Let's face it, after Ranson who never spoke, Onye, Orange Ken, Fisher and Labovich it would have been hard for anyone not to be an improvement!

That said since he's not been involved in the playing side its improved massively and if he's supposed to be in charge of things like ticketing we all know how shambolic that is.

Jack Griffin · Nov 6, 2015

thegameaintstraight said:
You are almost certainly correct, but as usual supporters are kept in the dark.

I think the immediate most regrettable consequence is that we now have (only) one director and he, in my opinion, has never demonstrated the necessary capability.

Todays surprising developments have shown that a replacement had been lined up for a while.

Fair do's it indicates forward planning has gone on rather than a reaction to a misplaced comments, which is what I thought had happened.

In this case 'the thinking' Grendel persona is right, SW has likely gone because of performance issues, I've seen it elsewhere.

Godiva · Nov 6, 2015

Jack Griffin said:
Todays surprising developments have shown that a replacement had been lined up for a while.

Fair do's it indicates forward planning has gone on rather than a reaction to a misplaced comments, which is what I thought had happened.

In this case 'the thinking' Grendel persona is right, SW has likely gone because of performance issues, I've seen it elsewhere.

If SW knew or planned his departure, there would be a press conference with both him and Anderson attending wishing each other good luck.
In the absent of such a press conference I can only conclude that SW was sacked.

This could well be the start of more dramatic changes.

ajsccfc · Nov 6, 2015

I wouldn't expect a kissyface press conference necessarily.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Nov 6, 2015

Grendel said:
From my perspective Waggott was just another one on the Sisu payroll who ultimately beat the Sisu drum.

He did, I suppose, become the acceptable face of Sisu in many fans’ eyes – or should that be the acceptable voice of Sisu. He had a more down to earth appeal than someone with Fishers privileged background.

Ultimately, however, his achievements are few and far between. His first big test was with deciding on Thorn’s fate when in the championship. He made the wrong choice and kept with the clueless individual. Then, even worse, after Thorns car crash management style he offers him a new deal, only to wake up a few weeks in and dismiss him, at a cost no doubt, that should have been avoided. No plan to replace him meant dithering and the crucial first season in League One was wrecked before it had even started. For this action alone, he should have lost his job.

The impression you get with Waggott is that he always wanted to be a manager and was far more comfortable operating with the likes of Thorn and Pressley than a Robins and certainly a Mowbray. He could sign hapless tripe like Malaga, Edjuingele, Brown all day long. He must have cost the club a fortune in cancelled contracts. He was an abject failure in the role he was supposed to be paid for.

His “credit” for the Ricoh deal also should be scrutinised. It is inconceivable that Sisu and the council were not already aware of the Wasps involvement. That deal meant the club no longer had to deal with the council and is the only reason the parties talked. It is also inconceivable that the arrangement was not going to have the approval of the incoming landlord. So Waggott was again the public face behind the deal. It should also be noted he was more than complicit with the move to Sixfields , and always publically played the company line. As he always did.

One suspect’s the appointment of Mowbray exposed his shortcoming and led to his demise. Mowbray, under a similar budget to his predecessor, changed the structure and built a winning team. His comments regarding the lack of structure when he arrived were particularly damning and telling.

Waggott was wasteful with his budget, poor at player recruitment and dire at understanding the infrastructure required to build a successful club.

He may have plaudits from those who fail to see the wood from the trees. He may to some be a football visionary – the saviour of English football. After all it says so in a press article;

http://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/34577/Is-this-man-the-real-saviour-of-English-football

Others, including I suspect, the new manager may have come to a different conclusion.

Oh no, I do hate it when you make a sensible post. In all seriousness can't fault you there. I think he was totally out of his depth he just bumbled his way through. Apart from your observations the first game back fiasco plus problems with ticketing now,show a level of competence my 7 year old nieces would find embarrassing

Jack Griffin · Nov 6, 2015

Godiva said:
If SW knew or planned his departure, there would be a press conference with both him and Anderson attending wishing each other good luck.
In the absent of such a press conference I can only conclude that SW was sacked.

This could well be the start of more dramatic changes.

I figure the lack of press conference means that announcement was brought forward.
Maybe SW discovered he was being replaced and said sod this for a game of soldiers.

Anyway.. its done now.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 6, 2015

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Oh no, I do hate it when you make a sensible post. In all seriousness can't fault you there. I think he was totally out of his depth he just bumbled his way through. Apart from your observations the first game back fiasco plus problems with ticketing now,show a level of competence my 7 year old nieces would find embarrassing

Yup, never understood the need for NOPM when the club so often implement such a policy themselves!

Gazolba · Nov 6, 2015

The only question is, how did he last four years?

Godiva · Nov 6, 2015

Jack Griffin said:
I figure the lack of press conference means that announcement was brought forward.
Maybe SW discovered he was being replaced and said sod this for a game of soldiers.

Anyway.. its done now.

At executive level there are contracts involved. SW's contract had to be cancelled - or bought out. He would not be allowed to simply resign and leave without facing legal action over breach of contract.

As you said - it's done.
But I think it is important HOW this was done. And WHY.

Jack Griffin · Nov 6, 2015

Godiva said:
At executive level there are contracts involved. SW's contract had to be cancelled - or bought out. He would not be allowed to simply resign and leave without facing legal action over breach of contract.

As you said - it's done.
But I think it is important HOW this was done. And WHY.

Sure, but if he was undermined the only sensible thing for both parties would be to pay-up/terminate the contract. Anyway, as usual we know jack.

shy_tall_knight · Nov 6, 2015

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Oh no, I do hate it when you make a sensible post. In all seriousness can't fault you there. I think he was totally out of his depth he just bumbled his way through. Apart from your observations the first game back fiasco plus problems with ticketing now,show a level of competence my 7 year old nieces would find embarrassing

You know its strange times when you agree with Grendel, being a nice guy less obnoxious then TF doesn't mean he's done a good job

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Nov 6, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Yup, never understood the need for NOPM when the club so often implement such a policy themselves!

Thing is though Northern the club have been offered help on numerous occasions and still are. Hasn't Nick offered solutions to computer/server problems or am I mistaken? We sold tickets to the charity game if they haven't got enough people to hand out tickets etc I would be prepared to do it as would others. But and this is a big but they would rather something went tits up than ask.

oldskyblue58 · Nov 6, 2015

Grendel said:
From my perspective Waggott was just another one on the Sisu payroll who ultimately beat the Sisu drum.

He did, I suppose, become the acceptable face of Sisu in many fans’ eyes – or should that be the acceptable voice of Sisu. He had a more down to earth appeal than someone with Fishers privileged background.

Ultimately, however, his achievements are few and far between. His first big test was with deciding on Thorn’s fate when in the championship. He made the wrong choice and kept with the clueless individual. Then, even worse, after Thorns car crash management style he offers him a new deal, only to wake up a few weeks in and dismiss him, at a cost no doubt, that should have been avoided. No plan to replace him meant dithering and the crucial first season in League One was wrecked before it had even started. For this action alone, he should have lost his job.

The impression you get with Waggott is that he always wanted to be a manager and was far more comfortable operating with the likes of Thorn and Pressley than a Robins and certainly a Mowbray. He could sign hapless tripe like Malaga, Edjuingele, Brown all day long. He must have cost the club a fortune in cancelled contracts. He was an abject failure in the role he was supposed to be paid for.

His “credit” for the Ricoh deal also should be scrutinised. It is inconceivable that Sisu and the council were not already aware of the Wasps involvement. That deal meant the club no longer had to deal with the council and is the only reason the parties talked. It is also inconceivable that the arrangement was not going to have the approval of the incoming landlord. So Waggott was again the public face behind the deal. It should also be noted he was more than complicit with the move to Sixfields , and always publically played the company line. As he always did.

One suspect’s the appointment of Mowbray exposed his shortcoming and led to his demise. Mowbray, under a similar budget to his predecessor, changed the structure and built a winning team. His comments regarding the lack of structure when he arrived were particularly damning and telling.

Waggott was wasteful with his budget, poor at player recruitment and dire at understanding the infrastructure required to build a successful club.

He may have plaudits from those who fail to see the wood from the trees. He may to some be a football visionary – the saviour of English football. After all it says so in a press article;

http://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/34577/Is-this-man-the-real-saviour-of-English-football

Others, including I suspect, the new manager may have come to a different conclusion.

Pretty much agree with all that Grendel.

The only thing I would add is that I don't think financially the owners had much choice but to bring CCFC back to the Ricoh. They clearly were not prepared to put more money in then or on going and the only way to get CCFC meaningful cash flow was to get the attendances available at the Arena. So the return was in my mind inevitable and it was just a matter of the small print. Even then I suspect SW had to get clearance from above on every line of small print

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Nov 6, 2015

shy_tall_knight said:
You know its strange times when you agree with Grendel, being a nice guy less obnoxious then TF doesn't mean he's done a good job

I personally never did like the guy and from what I have seen did a crap job saying that haven't they all?

Godiva · Nov 6, 2015

oldskyblue58 said:
Pretty much agree with all that Grendel.

The only thing I would add is that I don't think financially the owners had much choice but to bring CCFC back to the Ricoh. They clearly were not prepared to put more money in then or on going and the only way to get CCFC meaningful cash flow was to get the attendances available at the Arena. So the return was in my mind inevitable and it was just a matter of the small print.

I agree to some extent.
But look how most assume SW was instrumental. That begs the question: Why send him packing just days before the new talks about the rent deal at the Ricoh?

oldskyblue58 · Nov 6, 2015

Godiva said:
As you said - it's done.
But I think it is important HOW this was done. And WHY.

I think those are two very important questions Godiva............. certainly more to it than the press release (which in part, I have to say, are hard to read). It is almost ...... "look at all this clever stuff it/he must be good". Clearly a very clever and capable fella in his field. Will wait to see what he delivers

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Nov 6, 2015

Godiva said:
I agree to some extent.
But look how most assume SW was instrumental. That begs the question: Why send him packing just days before the new talks about the rent deal at the Ricoh?

Except we now find out there are no talks about the rent deal has that changed over the last 24-48 hours did Waggott say this on purpose?

wingy · Nov 6, 2015

Godiva said:
I agree to some extent.
But look how most assume SW was instrumental. That begs the question: Why send him packing just days before the new talks about the rent deal at the Ricoh?

Clive and CWR dispelling that aspect saying just a regular meeting about normal day to day running Issues.

letsallsingtogether · Nov 6, 2015

wingy said:
Clive and CWR dispelling that aspect saying just a regular meeting about normal day to day running Issues.

No shit and we are supposed to believe that to

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Nov 6, 2015

wingy said:
Clive and CWR dispelling that aspect saying just a regular meeting about normal day to day running Issues.

Makes sense, thought it must have been false after it appeared in the telegraph

letsallsingtogether · Nov 6, 2015

CCFC said:
Makes sense, thought it must have been false after it appeared in the telegraph

So they just made it up.
Oh yes must be lies Sisu have denied it

oldfiver · Nov 6, 2015

letsallsingtogether said:
So they just made it up.
Oh yes must be lies Sisu have denied it

So does that mean it must be true because the CT says so?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Nov 6, 2015

CCFC said:
Makes sense, thought it must have been false after it appeared in the telegraph

No Cwr only saying what they've been told by the club who at the club don't know. CET reporting what they were told by Waggott,so so is right? Correct you don't know

skybluetony176 · Nov 6, 2015

wingy said:
Clive and CWR dispelling that aspect saying just a regular meeting about normal day to day running Issues.

Think he actually said that the club are NOW saying that was always the case.

Interestingly Clive also said he knows that SW was going to his employees (i.e. TF & JS) from virtually the moment we arrived at Sixfields telling them that the maths doesn't add up and we need to get back to the Ricoh asap. Or word's to that effect.

letsallsingtogether · Nov 6, 2015

oldfiver said:
So does that mean it must be true because the CT says so?

Well I know who I would believe.
So I ask again why would they?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Nov 6, 2015

oldfiver said:
So does that mean it must be true because the CT says so?

Has Waggott denied he said it?

Grendel · Nov 6, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Think he actually said that the club are NOW saying that was always the case.

Interestingly Clive also said he knows that SW was going to his employees (i.e. TF & JS) from virtually the moment we arrived at Sixfields telling them that the maths doesn't add up and we need to get back to the Ricoh asap. Or word's to that effect.

Then it must be true. Eakin often cannot even remember the name of the opposition we are playing.

Oddly waggot declared as a matter of public record that staying at the Ricoh was impossible - as the maths didn't add up,

wingy · Nov 6, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Think he actually said that the club are NOW saying that was always the case.

Interestingly Clive also said he knows that SW was going to his employees (i.e. TF & JS) from virtually the moment we arrived at Sixfields telling them that the maths doesn't add up and we need to get back to the Ricoh asap. Or word's to that effect.

Yeah but you didn't have to be a rocket scientist to work that out.
They knew how It was going to pan out,their own market survey of the database told them less than 25% were likely to go.

Jack Griffin · Nov 6, 2015

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Has Waggott denied he said it?

What CT said was.. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/wasps-rfc-want-coventry-city-10387140

Coventry City chief executive Steve Waggott told the Telegraph he is set to meet with his Wasps counterpart next week when the subject of the football club’s future is likely to be discussed.

So, it appears stadium deal extension was not really a firm agenda point.

Grendel · Nov 6, 2015

Jack Griffin said:
What CT said was.. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/wasps-rfc-want-coventry-city-10387140

So, it appears stadium deal extension was not really a firm agenda point.

Indeed the devil is always in the detail of what has been said

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 6, 2015

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Thing is though Northern the club have been offered help on numerous occasions and still are. Hasn't Nick offered solutions to computer/server problems or am I mistaken? We sold tickets to the charity game if they haven't got enough people to hand out tickets etc I would be prepared to do it as would others. But and this is a big but they would rather something went tits up than ask.

I don't doubt it!

Although tbf always dangerous to rely on volunteers, as where's the comeback if they don't turn up etc?

But yeah... we're a bit amaeurish aren't we, and have been for... an eternity now.

letsallsingtogether · Nov 6, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
I don't doubt it!

Although tbf always dangerous to rely on volunteers, as where's the comeback if they don't turn up etc?

But yeah... we're a bit amaeurish aren't we, and have been for... an eternity now.

You can rely on these volunteers.
They don't give up very easily, when CCFC is concerned

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Nov 6, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
I don't doubt it!

Although tbf always dangerous to rely on volunteers, as where's the comeback if they don't turn up etc?

But yeah... we're a bit amaeurish aren't we, and have been for... an eternity now.

If they didn't turn up they would be no worse off than they are now

skybluetony176 · Nov 6, 2015

wingy said:
Yeah but you didn't have to be a rocket scientist to work that out.
They knew how It was going to pan out,their own market survey of the database told them less than 25% were likely to go.

But yet they still went ahead and did it. Probably explains why TF works for SISU and not NASA

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