skybluetony176
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Just because we need a CEO doesn't mean we need TF. Does he live up to your expectations of a CEO?
I'm surprised given your high grade legal training you've said that Tony. Don't all companies require a CEO? I will bow to your superior knowledge in this field Perry.
Any news on the stadium site
Any news on the stadium site
As the club is getting no support from the owners no and is stand alone and creating its own wealth, if the miracle ever happened and we got to the prem would we still be self funding or would we then be welcome back into the Sisu family as the club would have its pockets stuffed with TV money?
Just because we need a CEO doesn't mean we need TF. Does he live up to your expectations of a CEO?
No we will be like Blackpool where the owners take all the money and leave the club skint
They have apparently put millions into the Club LOLThe owners haven't taken any money out of the club. Still let's ignore the facts.
The owners haven't taken any money out of the club. Still let's ignore the facts.
Last summer we knew we were returning to the Ricoh, we had suffered huge crowd losses at Northampton, we had a revolving door of short term really poor players, we had cash from Leon & Callum sales - we could have invested some of it on the pitch we chose to continue with the short term crap, fans voted with their feet again and continue to do so, ST prices are clearly not the issue, its a chicken and egg situation, the stay away fans want hard evidence of improvement whereas waggot expects blind faith from the fans.
Certain posters still defended SISU when we had to play in Northampton for two years. I'm convinced one of the posters is currently employed by SISU.
That all might be right.
but 'Waggott expecting blind faith from the fans' is not blaming them or ridiculing them as some have made out.
the chicken and the egg situation I am sure frustrates TM, I suspect it frustrates Waggott, neither have the SISU cheque book and pen. By acknowledging the chicken and egg situation you are aware there are constraints set by the limited budget available; which is important they stick to for the longer term benefit of the club.
Its difficult for a fan like me to accept their current financial prudence when 2 years ago they committed commercial suicide with the totally unnecessary move to Northampton. The transfer fees from Leon Callum & Cyrus could have been partially reinvested to see quality players on the park rather than the rubbish we've been served since Feb 2014.
The owners haven't taken any money out of the club. Still let's ignore the facts.
People seem to forget the money they spent whilst we were in the championship but whatever.They have apparently put millions into the Club LOL
Its difficult for a fan like me to accept their current financial prudence when 2 years ago they committed commercial suicide with the totally unnecessary move to Northampton. The transfer fees from Leon Callum & Cyrus could have been partially reinvested to see quality players on the park rather than the rubbish we've been served since Feb 2014.
I think SW is giving it fairly straight to be honest. Our budget is dependent on sales of tickets
we don't have much income from
- F&B we get a small percentage
- I think we get a small amount of the car parking
- we no longer get the shop sales (or associated costs) we get a commission
- sponsorship in L1 is not going to involve millions its going to 2 or 3 hundred thousand at a guess
- there is the FL prize money and solidarity payments but our achievements hardly maximise that
- advertising is restricted both around the ground and in programs (especially in close season)
- there are no player sales to be done
So ticket income is vital. The front loading of ticket income during May, June and July by way of ST sales is vital. I would think that the 4900 ST sales SW says we have made would equate to less than 900k after accounting for concessions and VAT. But that £900k is the major income in the close season. Perhaps why there appears to be no great impetus to creating a time to pay scheme (that said there are the 6 & 12 match packages). Actually nothing wrong in front loading income - the club haven't had a consumer credit licence for years - perhaps trust the fans to understand if that's what they have done
During the season we are told they are budgeting for 11k average crowds. Currently that equates to 6000 tickets sold each match to walk up fans or away fans. With the best will in the world I do not see that happening each match and unless it does then the budget is restricted further and we have to compromise the choice and type of player we can attract. After VAT and concessions I would guess the 6000 per game would equate to under £2m pa
During May June July there will still be expenses of course and making those expenses match the income is not an easy task especially when you factor in the fans expectations. Is it really surprising, aside from TM being a cautious/prudent guy, that transfer activity hasn't set the world alight as yet.
That transfer activity, whilst I would say they are good solid signings there has been nothing that grabs the fans imagination. Add to that the poor pre season and it all adds to some fans reluctance to invest hard earnt money in CCFC. It all just makes balancing the books a lot harder
SW is trying to be upbeat and confident in order to attract more fan take up. He knows that it is hard to rely on walk up fans during the season because a couple of losses and that support backs off. He is also telling it as it is isn't he - we as a club (like many other lower division clubs) need the guaranteed income from ST holders
Not SW's greatest fan but I don't see that he has said much wrong in this statement. I also think there are a sizeable number of fans that fail to see the perilous finances we have and still go on thinking we have money available. Reality check.
Pure guess but I would be surprised if budgeted income (net of VAT) is more than £4m to £4.5m in the current set up - that puts the SCMP budget at around £2.5m. That's the budget not necessarily what CCFC has available to spend. If the club has to stand on its own two feet now then all of the other wages & overheads have to come out of that £4.5m pot also.
So ST sales are vital, seem to have stalled, SW is doing what he can to maximise that income and point out the effect on not hitting targets. I would imagine he is somewhat concerned right now
The owners haven't taken any money out of the club. Still let's ignore the facts.
I think most people surely understand and appreciate all that. It's still yet another PR gaff though with a handful of days to the season. It's not just what the buffoon says it's the timing and the completely discrediting the potential of the fanbase to rally if just for once the product on the pitch was entertaining and competitive from the start. It smacks of readying the excuses to deflect blame back on the fans. I think they honestly thought that just capturing TM was all they had to do to convince thousands of doubters back, maybe the good folk of Cov and Warks are not as gullible as they thought. All that said if they want to sell more tickets they might consider investing some money in the ticket office so fans can at least actually hand over some money easily enough.
Yeh that muppet grendull
What's your seat number grendull a few of us want to come and say hello?
Yeh that muppet grendull
What's your seat number grendull a few of us want to come and say hello?
Your inherent prejudice against SW and SISU, justified it may be, is clouding your thinking.
Yeh that muppet grendull
What's your seat number grendull a few of us want to come and say hello?
People seem to forget the money they spent whilst we were in the championship but whatever.
Ha Christ! Embarrassing!Yeh that muppet grendull
What's your seat number grendull a few of us want to come and say hello?
A nobhead that picks up posters because they spell "Role" wrongly, yet can't spell "MANNER" correctly.(sustainable manor?)Presumably the Fix Football, no more hedge fund or speculator brigade are happy they're finally attempting to run the club in a sustainable manor? Imagine this happened 20 years ago?
A nobhead that picks up posters because they spell "Role" wrongly, yet can't spell "MANNER" correctly.(sustainable manor?)
A nobhead that picks up posters because they spell "Role" wrongly, yet can't spell "MANNER" correctly.(sustainable manor?)
Sky Blue Kid will you be at the game on Saturday?
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