SlowerThanPlatt
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Another 90 minutes on the bench today, hasn’t featured in their last 4 games
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Finham
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Good player Ray, one hell of a shot on him for a full-back.
fatso
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He's not the only footballer who had covid, or who had to play through the pandemic.
His problems were all to do with attitude.
I'm not sure he really wanted to leave Forrest, and I'm even less sure he wanted to come here, he certainly played like he was sulking.
Comparing Walker to Pask, the later got very little opportunity, but always gave everything for the team, you could never say that about Walker.
fatso
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Lol, that's hardly a ringing endorsement!
If we have any ambition at all, both have to go, along with Jones, Shipley, Pask and a few others.
Not a ringing endorsement but felt he offered more than our option off the bench today. There is a player in Walker he just can't seem to bring it out anywhere near enough!
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I agree.
cc84cov
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100%
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The real question is if Walker is of genuinely much use to us.
I don't think anyone wants Waghorn anywhere near the team, so it's hardly a unpopular opinion in that sense.
Walker needed a run in the team to get his tail up and taking chances. He's very very unlikely to get that so to an extent I'd choose for both to leave but if I had to choose to keep one it would be Walker.
better days
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Seems that many contributers want to 'get rid' of over half the squad no matter whether they are contracted or not
Football fans are priceless
Football fans are priceless
That's why I said prefer to have Walker as an option rather than Waghorn. Contracts are contracts you don't get rid of them unless both parties agree...
fatso
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That's like saying I'd sooner be punched in the nose than kicked in the balls, when the option to avoid either is available
Total madness!
FulltimeWum
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Swap him with for Danny Elliot at Boston. Evans would like to work with him again and gives him a chance to grow confidence.
WGABSOOS
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Waghorn offered far more than ohare yesterday so I personally would have him around the team
Did he? I thought he was out of position on a number of occasions allowing them to attack. What did you see?
Edit- to clarify O'hare offered nothing going forward yesterday but still harried and hustled which is why I have focused more on defence as I thought Waghorn offered very little going forward too.
long way home
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Unfortunately we are stuck with Walker, Waghorn, Hilsner as all are on decent contracts and on current form and status not going to have clubs knocking our door down for them. Those combined wage will be between 15 and 20 grand a week, that will be wasted unless Walker decides he wants to step up and do something with his talent.
Only two ways it works for us, they perform or they have good agents that help secure good deals elsewhere. If this doesn't happen it's wasted money at a time when MR needs every penny to improve us again.
Only two ways it works for us, they perform or they have good agents that help secure good deals elsewhere. If this doesn't happen it's wasted money at a time when MR needs every penny to improve us again.
mr_monkey
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Yep such a shame that we have regressed on last year in terms of position, points and performances isn't it
Must be gutting for people like you that we are actually progressing year on year
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Yep such a shame that we have regressed on last year in terms of position, points and performances isn't it
Must be gutting for people like you that we are actually progressing year on year
No one wants the team to do badly (apart from maybe one poster). It's a bit of a strange thing to say.
You had a pop at me for saying the defence was still very weak specifically, which has proved to be correct now we are at the end of the season. Goals conceded in number is very similar too. Can't you see that, or are you just grumpy because I was right?
mr_monkey
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I just think our definitions of very weak is different as I'm glass half full and you are glass half empty
It's definitely not correct to say our defence is very weak by any measurement you wish to use, could/should it be better, absolutely but I stand by the fact that it's not very weak in the slightest
We are 16th for goals conceded which obviously isn't great and needs working but certainly not very weak
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johnwillomagic
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I think with Walker if we get a decent offer - which is unlikely at present - then we should let him go.
However I think there is more to come from him and with a good pre-season he could still be an asset to us,
He cannot play the one up front role that Gyok does however so we would have to play two up top - can see Gyok and him working well
or he plays the role of one of the two players in behind Gyok.
So much can happen and we need to see who stays and who goes tbh but I am not writing him off for CCFC just yet......,
However I think there is more to come from him and with a good pre-season he could still be an asset to us,
He cannot play the one up front role that Gyok does however so we would have to play two up top - can see Gyok and him working well
or he plays the role of one of the two players in behind Gyok.
So much can happen and we need to see who stays and who goes tbh but I am not writing him off for CCFC just yet......,
Skyblueweeman
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I think that's a tad unfair. It's quite obvious that it affects different people in different ways. Walker might have had more of a knock on from having it than someone else.
Given that we've been lacking attacking intent from the bench, especially with Godden injured, I'd keep Walker next season although I suspect he'd be 3rd in the pecking order - maybe even 4th.
Disappointed that it's not worked out for him at Pompey. Some of their fans have said when he played, he looked ok and was unlucky.
fatso
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That doesn't explain why he was shit before he got covid though.
Kilclines curly mullet
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Waghorn is a decent player.
Affected this season by COVID / 2 month shoulder injury and also then competing with 2 strikers who have consistently scored goals when played.
We can only judge after a prolonged spell in the team…
Christ, think back 5 years with Andre Wright etc
Affected this season by COVID / 2 month shoulder injury and also then competing with 2 strikers who have consistently scored goals when played.
We can only judge after a prolonged spell in the team…
Christ, think back 5 years with Andre Wright etc
stevefloyd
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I happen to think our defence is weak...not very weak but definitely weak... our wing backs are up and down and I don't meanthe pitch, Bidwell has not really blossomed and Maatsen is often caught out of position, Dabo when on form can be very good and Kane is ok.. Rose loses concentration and loses his man, Hyam is very slow and his distribution is very poor at times, Fadz is getting older and is also slow JCS so far has had a couple of injuries but at times has looked calm and assured on the left and the defence on a whole has made so many mistakes by either being outpaced, outjumped, caught out of position, losing their man at set plays and giving the ball away so upgrades should definitely be on the cards if we want to progressI just think our definitions of very weak is different as I'm glass half full and you are glass half empty
It's definitely not correct to say our defence is very weak by any measurement you wish to use, could/should it be better, absolutely but I stand by the fact that it's not very weak in the slightest
We are 16th for goals conceded which obviously isn't great and needs working but certainly not very weak
fernandopartridge
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Give it a rest you clown, he was top scorer last season. He's got a languid running style, he's not lazy
Legia Sky Blue
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He was a decent player. Waghorn's previous season with Derby when he played more regularly wasn't particularly productive either, so his career does look like its on a downward trajectory. His performances haven't warranted a prolonged spell in the team either, and unfortunately for him I'm not sure we can provide him that luxury to show us he still can be the player he was. Given Walker's age he is far more likely to bounce back and possibly improve despite the low ebb he finds himself in right now.
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You say that about Hyam and I can understand why, but when you look at different analysts, they see it in a different light. Liam Henshaw, who does quite a bit on EFL stats suggests Hyam was the 3rd best centre back in the league, how I don’t know. If you also look at the pass rate if the centre backs Faz is the best at 83% Rose and JCS are at 80 and Hyam at 79 so there doesn’t appear to be such a difference it could of course be Hyams passes are more noticeable?
Worrall at Forest who has just been named in Championship team of the year is at 78% So perhaps our centre back are not quite as weak as we believe them to be?
Agree wholeheartedly we can and should be better but perhaps that could be coached into them?
Liquid Gold
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Hyam's worst attribute is playing people onside.
He so often is the one out of sync with the other two in the line.
He so often is the one out of sync with the other two in the line.
fatso
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Your quite right, he's had a blinding season as his goals tally will testify!
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steve cooper
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I'm sure there is a good player in there somewhere, particularly at L1 level. His record, with Cowley having experience of getting goals out of him is baffling.
SkyblueTexan
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I think it’s a major confidence issue with Walker. I was looking at his goals last season and this season on YouTube and they were well taken. If he can recapture his mojo then we may have a decent player on our hands. He just has to put his head down, work really hard and get back to basics to win back the trust of everyone.