Was our success due to Robins or was it actually Vivash? (3 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

Lol what?

At this point mate it's quite clear there are several posters on here and twitter that are bending reality to dismiss robins accomplishments .

These posters will be nowhere to be seen if things go tits up again

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

Very much doubt he was anywhere close to being in the running for England.

It was a joke, there was an Arsenal fan who called into talksport saying England should’ve hired Robins…

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

It was a joke, there was an Arsenal fan who called into talksport saying England should’ve hired Robins…

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D'oh!!

 

[Ring Of Steel]

At this point mate it's quite clear there are several posters on here and twitter that are bending reality to dismiss robins accomplishments .

These posters will be nowhere to be seen if things go tits up again

yep- it’s a subtle yet obvious shift to denigrate what he achieved, and present an alternate history & reality.

Hopefully the new guy renders all this meaningless by taking us up next season, but you just know that if it doesn’t pan out there will be a silence from certain quarters.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

We were in L1 for ten years. We were a L1 fish in a L1 pond.

Fuck me...thays right league 1 for 10 years...i didnt see us getting out that division for years.

 

[Frankly_Mr_Shankly]

Just stuff that was going on. I'm not putting it on here and there's nothing overly exciting or stuff people couldn't guess but I just think the damage has gone to far and will be difficult to repair so I think that's best left to the new man and his team.

King made some huge errors as well but ultimately he's the owner and going nowhere.

So you know nothing basically?

 

[clint van damme]

So you know nothing basically?

Like Everyone else I've listened to the information given to me and tried to get a picture.
Some stuff I'm fairly confident is correct other stuff is best guess.
And I've changed my position a few things as the informations changed.

If you know better fill us in. Happy to listen to what everyone's got to say.

 

[Hobo]

Has Mark Robins had credit for the success we have had when really it should have gone to Vivash and Lawrence? Our performances have gone downhill since they both left and a couple of things have been bugging me.
If after all the good seasons, why has no one come in for Mark Robins from other bigger clubs?
Why was it so hard to get him an assistant / number 2, is it because the better candidates just didn't want to work with him?
His record at the other clubs he managed wasn't great so should we really be upset more about losing Vivash in particular than Robins?
Have we become blindsided by who our success really came from?

Edit - And for clarity, I would have all 3 back as a combination.

Who came in for Viveash? Please note correct spelling of his name.

 

[mds]

One thing I think a lot of people are forgetting in his time here, dealing with SISU, the majority of the fan base loved him and hated them, but for all his time here he had to work with them and us to make the best of a very bad situation, its only the last 12-18 months where you could say as a manager he had it relatively easy compared to the previous years. It went from shit to good then appears at some point to have gone to shit again for all involved.

Personally, in the long run I think its for the best, was really surprised and shocked Thursday but I think it has been coming for a while.

 

[Hobo]

It was probably a combination of the two that brought us success.

 

[Sumo the Micky Quinn]

One stat, i´m surprised hasn't been brought up is.
Mark Robins is the worst Manager in Coventry City history, (as well as one of the best, IMO
We have only spent 2 seasons in the 4th Division in our history since promotion to the Football League in 1920. 1958-59 we finished 2nd and got promoted, in what was the first season of the newly formed Dvision 4. The end of the previous season had Division 3 North & South merged.
We finished our second time in Division 4 (Rebranded League 2) 2017-18 in 6th, fortunately play-offs had been invented, giving us a back door promotion.

 

[peteCCFC]

He lost the plot for me when he started playing the best right in the league as a forward - whilst having 3 forwards sat on the bench.

 

[SBT]

I very much doubt it.

King said we needed an elite tactician that we don’t currently have. He can hardly turn round and appoint Carr who was already on the coaching staff after that.

I think Carr will stick around - Andrews is clearly a big fan. The other coaches are presumably not long for this realm.

While the odds of Carr getting the job are probably slim, I don’t think they’re as close to zero as people think.

 

[shmmeee]

I think Carr will stick around - Andrews is clearly a big fan. The other coaches are presumably not long for this realm.

While the odds of Carr getting the job are probably slim, I don’t think they’re as close to zero as people think.

Would be insane to say you sacked the manager cos the coaches he brought in arent high enough quality tactically then promote one of those coaches.

 

[SBT]

Would be insane to say you sacked the manager cos the coaches he brought in arent high enough quality tactically then promote one of those coaches.

I think King could just say (as he also did on Monday) that it was the structure that was the main problem, and make sure Carr cleaned house accordingly.

If this drags on long enough for Carr to handily win us four or five more games, then the arguments against him will become easier to ignore.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I think the other advantage King might see is that whoever follows MR is on a hiding to nothing, so maybe giving the job short-term to someone dispensable isn't necessarily the worst thing.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Carr would be far cheaper which would appeal to King. But I think he’d know that getting rid of Robins and not essentially replacing him would be a PR disaster for him.

 

[Grendel]

Carr would be far cheaper which would appeal to King. But I think he’d know that getting rid of Robins and not essentially replacing him would be a PR disaster for him.

He wants to clearly create a set up which is easily going to fit to the top flight. Hes not going to be inhibited by making a expensive appointment

 

[shmmeee]

If it’s Carr we riot.

 

[SBTasha]

Both!

 

[Cally Fedora]

He wants to clearly create a set up which is easily going to fit to the top flight. Hes not going to be inhibited by making a expensive appointment

I tend to agree listening to his more recent communications. Sounds like it will be two people anyway with a head coach and a DoF. Inevitably the coach especially will want his own team of coaches etc which will cost. So yes, a significant investment.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

I never insinuated Adi would be my choice of manager, but he was a very good number 2

But a number 2 is only as good as the manager half of the time .
You need to have a good relationship understand each other for it to work 100%

 

[Diogenes]

But a number 2 is only as good as the manager half of the time .
You need to have a good relationship understand each other for it to work 100%

Never underestimate the importance of having a good number 2.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Never underestimate the importance of having a good number 2.

I'm not, but he has to be compliant with the manager for it to work well.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

I don’t understand the need in football for all these degenerate ‘was it actually’ theories…. it happened with Brian Clough and Peter Taylor and again with Ranieri and Craig Shakespeare at Leicester. As both situations proved, it was of course a great man with a great team around, him. The sum of all parts creating a formula that achieved success.

The exact same with Robins and his team for us, as sustained success has proven over 7 years.

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

If it’s Carr we riot.

IF Carr was left in charge for the next three games and we got 7 points from them,there might not be many rioting with you.
It's a results business and if he did that IMO he would be favourite

 

[Legia Sky Blue]

Its always dangerous to take a caretaker manager's performance at face value. That's how Thorn got the gig, and many years before, Don McKay. I remember Adrian Heath being caretaker and not being too disappointed that he didn't do well, and therefore didn't become a full time option.